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PostPosted: 12:05 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Guns don't kill people, 9 year olds do... Reply with quote

A nine year-old girl in the US has killed her shooting instructor by accident while being shown how to use a high-powered submachine gun.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28948946
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poor obs.
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocking technique.

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PostPosted: 13:58 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

With all the school shootings in the USA it's obvious the 9 year old needed an Uzi for self protection.

Or have I just quote the NRA response by accident there?*


Obviously you need a fully automatic weapon for self defence, alongside the rocket launcher for defending your home. Still in it's defence, sorry defense, America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between

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* for the hard of understanding, or Americans, that's an example of sarcasm and irony.
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always thought full auto wasn't allowed in the US except with certain expensive to obtain permits and weapons built and registered before certain bans.
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
I always thought full auto wasn't allowed in the US except with certain expensive to obtain permits and weapons built and registered before certain bans.

Which you'll find at a gun range where you can shoot safely under careful, responsible supervision.
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did anyone else watch the video half expecting to see the headshot happen?
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

alt tab wrote:
Did anyone else watch the video half expecting to see the headshot happen?


Was kind of hoping to see it. He deserves it for giving a loaded, fully automatic UZI(!!!!!!) to a (FKN) 9 year old!!!
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

snoosnoo wrote:
alt tab wrote:
Did anyone else watch the video half expecting to see the headshot happen?
Was kind of hoping to see it. He deserves it for giving a loaded, fully automatic UZI(!!!!!!) to a (FKN) 9 year old!!!

Do you think the guy is a Darwin awards candidate?

Also fully automatic legal in most states (there are exceptions, New York I know being one) but there are some laws (surprisingly) and my understanding is guns can't be newer then 1986 (but prepared to be corrected as USA federal vs state laws are weird).

Also as said above where an individual feels it's too much hassle to own a fully auto they can hire them at many shooting ranges. IIRC there's a popular one in Las Vegas (some extended family went on holiday there).
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotta say I'm surprised by the reaction here, I would have expected a much more liberal attitude to guns. Still, everyone's entitled and all that.

What interests me most is the fact that there seems to be a strong vibe of 'automatic weapons are pointless'. Now I agree they are overkill for home defense (I don't think anyone is buying that argument). But consider this - they are fun, something that rarely gets taken into consideration in safety arguments. So the question becomes, at what stage do you say the risk outweighs the fun to the point they should be banned? Now, that's the kind of question that will have as many answers as people, but all I can think is, there have been a lot more killed in motorcycle accidents than shooting range accidents in the states this last year.

As to this particular incident, it sucks, and the child will suffer long term most likely, but the blame rests with the instructor.
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC wrote:
alt tab wrote:
Did anyone else watch the video half expecting to see the headshot happen?

On the BBC site? Very Happy Liveleak maybe. I was expecting the video to pause and the sound to carry on or something.

TBH I feel more sorry for the little girl, if not yet then when she's older the gravity of what happened will sink in.

And WTF America! Guns aren't f**king toys, they shouldn't be in the hands of average 'tards on the street, let alone an Uzi in the hands of a 9 year old Rolling Eyes

Nope, no brains spilled on liveleak either.
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

James83 wrote:
Gotta say I'm surprised by the reaction here, I would have expected a much more liberal attitude to guns. Still, everyone's entitled and all that.

What interests me most is the fact that there seems to be a strong vibe of 'automatic weapons are pointless'. Now I agree they are overkill for home defense (I don't think anyone is buying that argument). But consider this - they are fun, something that rarely gets taken into consideration in safety arguments. So the question becomes, at what stage do you say the risk outweighs the fun to the point they should be banned? Now, that's the kind of question that will have as many answers as people, but all I can think is, there have been a lot more killed in motorcycle accidents than shooting range accidents in the states this last year.

As to this particular incident, it sucks, and the child will suffer long term most likely, but the blame rests with the instructor.


Firstly, automatic weapons are designed to kill people. They may be fun used in other ways, but their primary raison d'être is for easily and remotely killing people. Hence you might want to be wary of who gets their hands on them.

Secondly, how many 9 year olds are killing people with motorcycles? Motorcycles have a practical use and are recognised as needing to be used by people of a certain age who have demonstrated a level of competence. Yes, kids can use them off-road but when they lose control of them they will tend to mostly bounce or occasionally hurt themselves. A motorcycle can't easily kill anyone more than about 6 feet away.
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

James83 wrote:
Gotta say I'm surprised by the reaction here, I would have expected a much more liberal attitude to guns.

Tish, I'm totally in favour of culling fools.

The parents and Tutor Tacticool made bad choices. Kid will suffer. Actual smart, responsible gun owners (both of 'em) might suffer. Poor show.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC wrote:
alt tab wrote:
Did anyone else watch the video half expecting to see the headshot happen?

On the BBC site? Very Happy Liveleak maybe. I was expecting the video to pause and the sound to carry on or something.

TBH I feel more sorry for the little girl, if not yet then when she's older the gravity of what happened will sink in.

And WTF America! Guns aren't f**king toys, they shouldn't be in the hands of average 'tards on the street, let alone an Uzi in the hands of a 9 year old Rolling Eyes


Liveleak has some real gruesome shit on it, I suppose the full uncut video will eventually filter through and wind up on there. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

James83 wrote:
Gotta say I'm surprised by the reaction here, I would have expected a much more liberal attitude to guns. Still, everyone's entitled and all that.


You can't seriously compare accidents on a range (a controlled environment with instructors on hand) to accidents on the public road (where the police are a bit sparser).

People are commenting on how daft it was to put an uzi in the hands of an, obviously inexperienced, 9year old. Had it been a 9 year old who was interested and able (with some experience, eg some kid who wanted to get into competition shooting and had had obvious experience on a range) it may have been a lot more understandable, but that kid would at least know how to stand with a gun...

I know shooting can be fun, but common sense has to be used somewhere.
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I call fake, no-one shouting brap brap brap whilst firing in the background. Shocked
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usual liberal priorities, ban guns, turn a blind eye to mass rapes by Asian men Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

James83 wrote:
Gotta say I'm surprised by the reaction here, I would have expected a much more liberal attitude to guns. Still, everyone's entitled and all that.


Hmm, regardless of your stance on guns, does it not seem a bit thick to give a 9 year old an automatic weapon. Hell I don't think the child soldiers in after get them until they're 10.
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was reading just last week on BBC news a story about blind people obtaining a license to carry concealed weapons in the USA. 'What next I thought to myself'. Turns out it was Uzi wielding nine year olds ..
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

No charges 'cos they is licensed, innit'

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PostPosted: 21:30 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen some proper skin and bones teenagers, shoot LSW's in cadets - including myself Wink

No reason a kid can't shoot guns, but I'd say .22s, four-tens and 28 gauge might be a bit more suitable.

Letting a kid "fire" a Uzi would probably be safe if said adult is hugging around the kid with their hands controlling the weapon. In much the same way that your dad lets you "drive" a motorbike sat on the tank when you are a little kid, but really he has full control of the bars the entire time.

Obviously hindsight is 20/20 but when letting someone fire a full-auto weapon for the first time, loading mags with only 2 rounds is a pretty useful way to limit the damage should said shooter go full-retard. Once they have that down, try a mag with 3, 4, 5 rounds etc etc.

Also another reason to make sure all firing done by novice shooter is done from the prone position, as it is in cadets, it is orders of magnitudes harder to flop about in an unsafe manner when lying down on the deck as opposed to sitting/standing etc.
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

smegballs wrote:
[well reasoned, sensible stuff]

Counterhollowpoint: The range is called "Bullets and Burgers".

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PostPosted: 22:56 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

So apparently the minimum age for firing a gun at the Bullets and Burgers range is 8. WT utter Fuck America. Is a kid at that age really going to be able to handle a weapon safely even with supervision?
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 27 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver lining and all that, how many 9 year olds can scare off a bully by saying you've killed someone with an uzi before Laughing



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