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 L-Jam World Chat Champion

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 Posted: 16:07 - 11 Nov 2014 Post subject: A different system other than the monetary system? |
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Did a search on this expecting it to be already-discussed.
*cue drum roll*
It wasn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKX9TWRyfs
Zeitgeist movement, I took it with a pinch of salt and haven't seen their latest film but the ideas raised are intriguing to say the least.
First they deconstruct the Federal Reserve, then how we are slaves to the banks/the elite/the government, then how the American Govt. destroys other nations and finally how they propose we rid ourselves of money as currency.
I personally think they're on to something. As an ideology it's ambitious to say the least; but it does beg the question. If people had nothing to fight over, would they fight? ____________________ Journalist, student, egotist.
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It has been discussed at length on BCF.
Essentially is it the greatest confidence trick ever pulled in broad day light and it is an example of social conditioning and holding two opposing contradictory thoughts at the same time.
I'll sum it up in short sentences.
#1 The bank/Elites/Government are ALL the same entity.
#2 Stealing via different identities is more acceptable than direct stealing.
#3 We think that the entities in #1 are doing us a favour, legitimising #2. Similar to a tyre repair man throwing nails on roads around his shop.
#4 People are so well conditioned they will actively defend #1, #2 , #3. ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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It's not the money it's what people do with it?
People are enslaved to it by bureaucrats, bankers, politicians, the law society and associated organizational monogamy which is always backed up by violence - Those who back it up wear immortal amour.
Slave trades - People are having kids just to get a house with the local council or housing association, and then they have to have another kid just to hold onto the house due to the child reaching a certain age -
How do you kill bureaucracy
How do you kill law
How do you kill capitalism,
How do you kill banking,
How do you kill politics
How do you kill the left right paradigms
How do you kill officialdom
How do you kill provenience
How do you kill quasi, quango and straw man etc
How do you kill organization monogamy that propagate slave trades - Hypocrisy
How do you kill institutions?
How do you kill sex trades pimps stringing out women
How do you kill Idols that become stars impressionating kids only to end up toppin em selves
How do you kill drug cartels
How do you kill the arms trade
How do you kill the gambling industry
How do you kill the tower Intel defending secretes that do not exist?
How do you kill these things when they don't even exist?
Take a seat, they're always free, no surprise, no mystery !
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| Dr. Quack wrote: | Unintelligible gobbledygook |
Haven't used bad karma rating on anyone yet, don't really like to, but I am getting a bit tired of this stuff. Please confine your comments to something us mere mortals can understand? Thank you. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Nope, I find the 2mm thick cards I carry in my wallet much more convenient than carrying chickens and buffalo fur  ____________________ Malaguti F12 Phantom-Dead, Suzuki AY50- Dead, NRG power DD LQ, CBR125.
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Not entirely sure what's wrong with our current system, works pretty well for me, can't see an alternative that will either be more convenient or more beneficial for me directly?  ____________________ Malaguti F12 Phantom-Dead, Suzuki AY50- Dead, NRG power DD LQ, CBR125.
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Hi
As Itchy has sort of said, the problem isn't money as that is just a system of tokens. It is that the tokens can be generated and manipulated by a fairly large amount.
For most of us this is a non issue, but have enough power and you can make a lot of tokens by influencing how those tokens are generated and manipulated.
Current money is just like a hand of cards in a casino. In itself zero actual value but it does have a perceived value against which other things can be bet.
Put it this way, what do you think your chances are of winning a game of poker against someone who can bring as many decks of their own cards to the table as they want, sorted into whatever order they want.
All the best
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Do Bitcoins cover some of this?
One authority is not responsbile for an endless production of power, not diluting everyone else's "work"
As many have said You're gonna have to serve somebody
EDIT: 1% of the worlds population controls 50% of the worlds tokens. |
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 Posted: 19:41 - 11 Nov 2014 Post subject: Re: A different system other than the monetary system? |
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How would you go about persuading every petrol station in the country to accept the magic beans from your alternative bank?
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Money was originally legitimised via taxes, the taxes people had to pay (using whatever was considered legal tender) created a demand for the gold/silver/shells/tally sticks or whatever was used as money.
Realistically people can (and do) make up their own tokens within their own (small) communities, however that doesn't work at all when venturing out of your very local area.
First thing to do though (whilst keeping the same money we use now) is to get rid of reserve ratio's, so banks can only lend what they have. The reserve ratio's would have to be increased gradually though, with plenty of notice, or the system will collapse.
Ultimately, with a properly educated and reasonable population, money could become completely redundant. That would be when people stop "having" to have whatever tat they see on TV despite them not needing it, or not being interested in it for more than 5 seconds. I say could, as I'm not sure our species could ever get over the "must have everything now" thing that's in our heads, leading us to create ever more crap as we replace stuff that doesn't need replacing, or buy crap that has no use other than landfill. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 11 years, 42 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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