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PostPosted: 15:29 - 13 Feb 2015    Post subject: Scrapped - Any Hope? Reply with quote

Applied for the V5C for a bike i bought which had been sat in an elderly gentleman's garage since 1989.. Got this back.

https://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc49/Evil_Sheep117/IMG_20150213_124400230_zps154e9aab.jpg

Have sent off the supplied sheet with a cover letter... Is there any hope though?

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PostPosted: 15:43 - 13 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well you physically having the bike proves it hasn't been scrapped.

They'll deal with the person who made the false claim it had been scrapped. You prove you have it and stuff and you'll be fine.

At least, that's what common sense tells me.
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 13 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Scrapped - Any Hope? Reply with quote

Moo. wrote:
Applied for the V5C for a bike i bought which had been sat in an elderly gentleman's garage since 1989.. Got this back.

https://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc49/Evil_Sheep117/IMG_20150213_124400230_zps154e9aab.jpg

Have sent off the supplied sheet with a cover letter... Is there any hope though?

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When my ZXR400 got written off I bought it back from the insurers. They had told doooovla that it had been scrapped when infact it was a cat D write off.
Took a bit of form filling but it got sorted in the end.
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 13 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The good news is that a scrapped vehicle earns them nothing, while an extant one earns them revenue and blackmail demands.

The bike does exist, so worse case it'll be an MVSA check.

In the mean time, I'd have a look at V765 and see if you can find any documentation to support its original age.
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 13 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

In the mean time, I'd have a look at V765 and see if you can find any documentation to support its original age.


I have an old MOT from 1988 that lists its chassis no. ,the registration number and its year of manufacture Surprised could help?
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 13 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Scrapped - Any Hope? Reply with quote

Moo. wrote:
bike i bought


Anything interesting?
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 13 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Scrapped - Any Hope? Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
Moo. wrote:
bike i bought


Anything interesting?


Not really, old C90ZZ
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 13 Feb 2015    Post subject: Re: Scrapped - Any Hope? Reply with quote

Moo. wrote:

Not really, old C90ZZ

Do the DVLA not know that it is impossible to scrap a Chicken Chaser?
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 13 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's DVLA, so who knows.

I would've thought, as the bike is in your possession, then it clearly hasn't been scrapped and it's an error.

But that's common sense, and this is the DVLA, so Good Luck.
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 13 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

They don't know anything about anything, which is why a vehicle only becomes SORNable when any kind of record is updated.

It's my personal belief that they have lost tens of thousands, if not millions of all kind of records in some kind of screw-up possibly from when they were porting all their records to digital and they are still re-building their databases from info provided by the public. One time when I had to make a call about a classic registration I spoke to a guy who took the registration right away and said 'that's another one'. It wouldn't surprise me if there has been a basement full of water-damaged un-readable records somewhere in Cardiff that were impossible to convert, and they have kept it carefully covered-up.
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 13 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
They don't know anything about anything, which is why a vehicle only becomes SORNable when any kind of record is updated.

It's my personal belief that they have lost tens of thousands, if not millions of all kind of records in some kind of screw-up possibly from when they were porting all their records to digital and they are still re-building their databases from info provided by the public. One time when I had to make a call about a classic registration I spoke to a guy who took the registration right away and said 'that's another one'. It wouldn't surprise me if there has been a basement full of water-damaged un-readable records somewhere in Cardiff that were impossible to convert, and they have kept it carefully covered-up.


A lot of it was on microfilm. They were still photographing all correspondance and storing it on microfilm back in 1995 on my third of 12 attempts to get them to spell my name correctly on my licence. I know this because "I don't have time to go look up the microfilm of your letter so I'll take your word for it."

My bet is they still have it all, but have no fucking idea what to do with it all, how to look at it, how to digitise it or how to find anything relevant. Bet it's stored in strict order of date received, oldest at the bottom. A bit like my inbox at work.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 13 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went on a school trip in the late 70's/ early 80's and had a tour of the DVLC and there were computers there that were storing data on big reels of tape, similar to the one you see in The Italian Job.
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 13 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Still using those into the 1990s (more tape cartridges after that - still in use), after which some of the cases migrated to being used as coffee cup carriers

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PostPosted: 22:17 - 13 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sounds like one piss poor school trip Pete.
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 13 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The real question is why anyone would want a > 1989 aged C90?!?!?!?

DVLA had done the right thing for once, in assuming this was scrapped Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:20 - 13 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
I went on a school trip in the late 70's/ early 80's and had a tour of the DVLC and there were computers there that were storing data on big reels of tape, similar to the one you see in The Italian Job.

Were the reels feeding straight into a shredder? Thinking
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 13 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
That sounds like one piss poor school trip Pete.


Hey I was in primary school and computers were new and exciting. Plus you just did as you were told back then Smile
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 14 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

They also cashed the cheque i included with the V62 for a new V5... So if it actually is scrap.. will i get this back?

Had a chat with the original owner and they've had the slip back from the DVLA saying they're no longer the registered owner.. Neutral what is going on...
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 14 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like you're getting a V5 in the post any day soon.
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 14 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

whilst trying to get them to accept that my bsa was real and not imaginary i had one guy admit that any vehicles that weren't on the road during the digitization period simply disappeared.



another thing that annoys me is the fact that once a vehicle is scrapped, its numberplate disappears forever.

could have had a mint numberplate with my surname on if it hadn't been on a grenada that got crushed in 1993.
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PostPosted: 23:31 - 14 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

CHR15 wrote:
whilst trying to get them to accept that my bsa was real and not imaginary i had one guy admit that any vehicles that weren't on the road during the digitization period simply disappeared.



Probably the case here... Although when i run the plate through DVLA it comes up with the right Bike, year and CC... so may be hope?
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 15 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

A lot of the old docs were just skipped. A relative who had a pre war car managed to get all the old docs for their car when they were being thrown away. But that was early 1980 I think.

All the best

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PostPosted: 10:10 - 16 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well.. rang the DVLA up this morning, and the woman who sent me the letter was the one who picked up the phone Laughing that was easy..

She said its probably something to do with the old V5's having a part about scrapping the bike, where as the new ones don't..

The only bit i was interested in, was she said that when she receives the form i filled in with extra information, i should be issue with a new V5 Very Happy just gotta play the waiting game now..
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 17 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update, she got my letter with extra information and confirmed that it all matches and looks good...

She has re-requested the V5 for me, so now someone has to run around and dig it out of an archive somewhere because a new one hasn't been issued since 1981 haha... sooo Laughing

So as long as they can actually find it (please spaghetti god!) It should be good to go!
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 25 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last update.

Got the V5 Today Very Happy I'm the 2nd owner.. so definitely was a case of it being stored in an ancient tomb protected by a Mummy.

Just chuffed it wasn't actually scrapped! Laughing
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