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PostPosted: 21:28 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Dropped bike off paddock stand now it won't start (Resolved) Reply with quote
Took the bike off the paddock stand and naturally lent it to the left so it would fall onto the side stand (thinking it was down) but I'd forgotten to put it down, so the bike fell on the floor.

Snapped my clutch lever and it snapped in the bracket that holds the lever, which made my clutch unusable via the lever. Also scratched the crash bars lightly, no other visual damage.

Anyway, never thought to try and start the bike after I'd dropped it. It was off when I dropped it & ran spot on before it'd hit the floor.

Replaced the lever today, went to start the bike and nothing...

Turn the key in the ignition, lights on dash come on as usual, headlight works, horns work, everything seemed normal... went to start the bike & nothing, no noises, no anything. The lights on the dash didn't flicker or anything. It's as if I never pressed the starter button at all.

I've tried bumping it twice (in 1st and 2nd) doesn't even sound like it wants to start.
Checked the clutch sensor thing (needs clutch lever in to start) and that's in and secure from what I can see.

Any ideas what could be causing the bike not to start?

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PostPosted: 21:39 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Side stand switch, check there, especially if you had it down whilst on the stand.
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Killswitch?

And why, if you leant it to the left, did the clutch lever snap? Confused
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
wots wrote:
Side stand switch, check there, especially if you had it down whilst on the stand.


Bike starts in neutral with the side stand down normally, first thing I did was try & start it in N on the side stand with no luck

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PostPosted: 21:47 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
DoovyRR wrote:
Killswitch?

And why, if you leant it to the left, did the clutch lever snap? Confused


Clutch lever is on the left side of the bike? Laughing

Checked the kill switch too Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Az wrote:
DoovyRR wrote:
Killswitch?

And why, if you leant it to the left, did the clutch lever snap? Confused


Clutch lever is on the left side of the bike? Laughing


This is true. Carry on Laughing

Have you tried starting in gear with the clutch pulled in?
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
DoovyRR wrote:



This is true. Carry on Laughing

Have you tried starting in gear with the clutch pulled in?


Tried bumping it, so I guess that counts? Smile
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
DoovyRR, easy way to remember....Right hand front brake and wanking. Left hand holding laptop whilst wanking and clutch.
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Is your bandit Fuel Injected?

Tried crossing the two terminals on the starter solenoid/relay with a screwdriver?

Fuel pump priming?

Tried shorting the clutch switch just in case?

Checked fuses?
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PostPosted: 22:24 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nemo wrote:
Is your bandit Fuel Injected?

Tried crossing the two terminals on the starter solenoid/relay with a screwdriver?

Fuel pump priming?

Tried shorting the clutch switch just in case?

Checked fuses?


Carb'd and the bike wasn't on the floor for more than a minute, so doubt the carbs are flooded or oil in airbox.

Shorted th clutch lever switch/sensor thing with a hair clip, again, no luck Rolling Eyes
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Pull plugs and check for a spark. Is airbox full of fuel after the spill?
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ariel Badger wrote:
Pull plugs and check for a spark. Is airbox full of fuel after the spill?


Haven't checked, will run down and have a look at the air box first and then plugs.

Isit possible that if the bikes been on the floor for seconds it can flood the airbox and foul plugs?

Just to add, I have dropped the bike from standstill before (similar circumstance, forgot side stand want down) Embarassed , dropped it on the floor, broke the clutch lever (but only the round bit on the end of the lever). It started up straight away after I'd picked it up, it'd been on the floor for about the same amount of time as it had this time (which was seconds).
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Check the clutch switch and also what Ariel Said
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If you haven't already, try turning off the kill switch for 30 seconds. I thought it was only FI bikes, but some bikes detect a 'crash' and disable starting until this is done.
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Az wrote:


Carb'd and the bike wasn't on the floor for more than a minute,


I take it from that it was more than a few seconds and a lot of fuel can flow in that time if the tap was open. If it is not in a pool on the floor it will be in the filter.
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ariel Badger wrote:
Az wrote:


Carb'd and the bike wasn't on the floor for more than a minute,


I take it from that it was more than a few seconds and a lot of fuel can flow in that time if the tap was open. If it is not in a pool on the floor it will be in the filter.


You're right, there's fuel in the airbox, not much but a tiny pool of fuel in the bottom of the airbox.

Not saying you're wrong, but curious, why would fuel in the airbox stop it from even trying to turn over? As in there's no response from the bike what so ever when I hit the starter button.
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Az wrote:


Not saying you're wrong, but curious, why would fuel in the airbox stop it from even trying to turn over? As in there's no response from the bike what so ever when I hit the starter button.


Checked the fuses?
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
SQL wrote:
Check the clutch switch and also what Ariel Said


Had a look at the clutch switch, all seems good from what little I can see. Also tried shorting it with a hair clip... Still nothing. But I my gut feeling is that it's to do with the clutch switch. It's as if someone's pulled out my clutch switch making the bike unresponsive when you hit the starter.

Also can't find a screwdriver small enough to get the bloody thing off either to have a proper look at it.

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PostPosted: 23:14 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
SQL wrote:
Az wrote:


Not saying you're wrong, but curious, why would fuel in the airbox stop it from even trying to turn over? As in there's no response from the bike what so ever when I hit the starter button.


Checked the fuses?


Good shout, will have a look.
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Woo! Finally fucking sorted. The ignition fuse had gone, replaced with spare and it fires up first time. I'm a very happy man aha

Thanks SQL! Very Happy Thumbs Up Karma

Also, thanks Ariel, as I now know I need to clean out my airbox Thumbs Up Karma
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Az wrote:
Woo! Finally fucking sorted. The ignition fuse had gone, replaced with spare and it fires up first time. I'm a very happy man aha

Thanks SQL! Very Happy Thumbs Up Karma

Also, thanks Ariel, as I now know I need to clean out my airbox Thumbs Up Karma


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Empty the airbox using the drain plug
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 16 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
SQL wrote:
Az wrote:
Woo! Finally fucking sorted. The ignition fuse had gone, replaced with spare and it fires up first time. I'm a very happy man aha

Thanks SQL! Very Happy Thumbs Up Karma

Also, thanks Ariel, as I now know I need to clean out my airbox Thumbs Up Karma


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Empty the airbox using the drain plug


Will do, off work tomorrow so will do it then Very Happy

Out of curiousity, why would my ignition fuse blow? At first I thought the impact/vibration from the drop caused it to shatter, but on second thoughts that's probably not the reason.
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Az wrote:

Out of curiousity, why would my ignition fuse blow? At first I thought the impact/vibration from the drop caused it to shatter, but on second thoughts that's probably not the reason.


Impact was my thinking, but could be unrelated.
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The reason I suggested fuses Is because the impact could have pinched a live wire to earth = short circuit = blown fuse.

Check the wiring just to make sure there's no slices in the wire insulation.
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PostPosted: 00:57 - 17 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nemo wrote:
The reason I suggested fuses Is because the impact could have pinched a live wire to earth = short circuit = blown fuse.

Check the wiring just to make sure there's no slices in the wire insulation.


Didn't even realise you'd recommended checking fuses, jus re read your thread, thanks for the suggestion aha Karma

May check through the wires on the weekend. Where exactly should I be looking? Everywhere?
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