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 Posted: 18:58 - 14 Jul 2015 Post subject: Cracked Sump - leaking oil - UPDATED |
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So I just started the first oil change on my brand new MT-07.
Changed filter no problem.
Drained oil no problem.
Went to tighten up the bolt when I noticed there was a crack about 4cm long running underneath the casing. https://imgur.com/A2x4Pq5
I'm sure I didn't over tighten it, I only have a tiny torque wrench and I hardly gave it any effort which makes me think it might have already been there and I just made it worse.
Spoke to dealer and Yamaha assist about warranty and both of them got very tight lipped when I said I was changing the oil myself.
They're picking it up in the morning to take it to the dealer to check it out - anyone have any advice? ____________________ 2014 Yamaha MT-07 ABS Deep Armour
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Going by the state of the sump plug I'd say you over-tightened it and had the spanner slip off too. The dealer is going to say it's user-inflicted damage IMO ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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Yamaha won't replace that
Sump for me is done up with fingers until washer presses against casing and maybe, just maybe 1/8 turn. 1 finger at end of spanner/ratchet. No more should be needed.
Can you buy just the sump...
First oil change. Y u no free dealer. |
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It's been Over tightened, mechanics don't lie. What torque is your sump plug, you'll be surprised you can over torque very easy. You should a crushable washer to seal the bolt between the sump, copper or bonded washer type. Best bet to source a replacement sump and fit that. Unless you can find a man who can weld alloy.
Because you've serviced it yourself the warranty many not be covered as the dealers like to do everything and charge a fortune for doing not a lot.
I've been there and done this myself on a Suzuki a few years back, cracked the sump and stripped the thread. I learnt my lesson, young and stupid and brought a torque wrench best thing in the tool box. ____________________ Current machines - Aprilia RS250. Kawasaki H1A 500. Past machines - Kawasaki ZX7r P6, Yamaha RD250E (the one that got away), BSA Racing bantam (revs over 10'000 sweet as), Yamaha RXS100, Suzuki GP100, Suzuki GS500K2 - best all year machine ever - come rain, sleet and snow just epic. |
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Actually, having taken another look at it, It looks like a bolt that has been wrung-off with a six-sided socket in a nut gun. If it really was as tight as you say then the damage could have been done by the monkey that assembled from the crate. Unfortunately, you're never going to get the dealer to admit to it all the time you have a hole in your, err, sump. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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Already been picked up and delivered to dealer, I will leave it in their capable, money-grabbing hands.  ____________________ 2014 Yamaha MT-07 ABS Deep Armour
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Shame, coz I was just going to offer to weld it up for you whilst they order up a new sump. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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I'm surprised that the threads didn't strip before it cracked.
| CVSensei wrote: | I had to put all my body weight on it to loosen it at all! |
Supposition: sump was already cracked by the bolt being powered in, bouncing on the spanner or socket handle to free it finally split it.
Sadly it's likely impossibru for you to prove it.
The thing that's really puzzling me, what I just don't understand, is why on earth you told them that it had gone while you were spannering it yourself.
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Wouldn't the first oil change normally be done by the dealer as part of the first free service? Just curious as to what motivated you to do it yourself.
I use a 4" long 1/4" drive ratchet for tightening drain bolts - even the smallest torque wrench on the lowest setting could be too much (unless it's a good 'un).
Never seen a sump go like that though, without stripping the threads as well, so my guess is material failure. ____________________ Honda Varadero XL125(V8)
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That is incredibly generous of you, I didn't even realise that was a possibility. Thank you for the offer mate
I am asking myself the same question. Innocent old me see's split in brand new bike, panics, calls the authorities and tells them the truth. My head is far more level today, and overflowing with regrets.
Well now you say that you have me doubting myself but i'm about 85% sure I was doing it correctly.. Lefty loosy, righty tighty and all that.
I think there was actually a washer there, I've never dealt with a 'crush washer' before but there was what I think was a washer pretty much welded to the sump plug. I thought it was part of the bolt the first time round until further inspection.. I couldn't get it off but I presume that's what you're talking about.
Yeah it's first service was coming up in 200 miles but I was planning on a long trip this week and haven't changed or topped up since I bought it. And the oil light was coming on which I realise now might be an important point in this battle. I presumed it just meant it wanted changing.
We live and we learn, thanks for all your replies  ____________________ 2014 Yamaha MT-07 ABS Deep Armour
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