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Copycat73
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 12 Sep 2015    Post subject: ZZR1400 injector replacement Reply with quote

I was informed during a dyno / ecu flash that an injector was malfunctioning and should be repaired or replaced..
I opted for the latter..
well the bits have arrived and I made a start on this task..

Stripping off the plastics and fuel tank down to the air box ..
;which is part of the frame;. and another part of the frame which unbolts..

Once inside set about removing the inlet rubbers or velocity stacks or whatever you wanna call them.. they pulled out into the air box with a little manipulation once the jubilee clips were loosened..

The throttle bodied are in a very tight hole with very little hand room..
There are more wires and connectors than I have ever seen on any previous bike I have ever owned..
Still with patience they came out ...disconnecting those wires is a pain in the arse.. Crying or Very sad

Cleaned with a little carb and choke cleaner and rinsed with petrol..

enough for one day..
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PostPosted: 06:04 - 13 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Were you having it dyno'd for a fuel remap? It'll need another go to remap after the injector is replaced.
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PostPosted: 06:15 - 13 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did they tell you which injector it was? If so, how did they know?
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PostPosted: 09:26 - 13 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Did they tell you which injector it was? If so, how did they know?

yes he did ..
there was some deposits inside the throttle body .. visible with a light
and the computer diagnostics on the dyno showed it up as a series of spikes on one of the read outs.
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 13 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

ADSrox0r wrote:
Were you having it dyno'd for a fuel remap? It'll need another go to remap after the injector is replaced.


yes @ hilltop..
no it wont need another go .. he partitioned the ecu memory, updated the firmware and loaded a " learning map"
watched it alter settings whilst on the dyno run as the room pressure was increased..
I can also fit what exhaust or air filter I like and it will compensate for that too.
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 13 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Closed-loop tuning to full revs? I wasn't aware that the ECU had the processing power to do that.
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 13 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Closed-loop tuning to full revs? I wasn't aware that the ECU had the processing power to do that.


tbh.. it all got very technical .. and yes the closed-loop circuit was altered though the lambada sensor it still referenced but not to the same extent as the original map does, as it takes it as gospel but the new map just compares with it ... if that makes any sense ???
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 13 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not really. Sounds like someone has written some auto-tune code to make it behave like a PC5.

Hilltop have a good rep at least, though 'likes' from people ignorant of what's going on only carry so much weight.

I remember a guy who used to 'tune' Suzuki ecu's by post with a yoshbox.
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 13 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Not really. Sounds like someone has written some auto-tune code to make it behave like a PC5.


was told he wrote the software himself ..
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 15 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

well to day I did remove defective injector from the common rail and fit the new one ... along with all the 0 ring seals and washers on the others..

silicone lubricated the manifold rubbers and squeezed the throttle boddies back into place.. along with all the wiring Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 18:36 - 15 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like just a faulty o-ring.
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 15 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Looks like just a faulty o-ring.


the white you can see is the paint I applied before I removed the injector .. no chance of mixing them up...
the 0rings and seals were all intact and un-damaged..
will take it to be cleaned .. new one fitted so no rush .. but curious to hear what they have to say..
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 15 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't it be better to get them all cleaned at the same time? I intend to whip mine out (oo-er) in winter if and when it gets 'orrible enough to justify the downtime to send them off.
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 16 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

ADSrox0r wrote:
Wouldn't it be better to get them all cleaned at the same time? I intend to whip mine out (oo-er) in winter if and when it gets 'orrible enough to justify the downtime to send them off.


the others were fine .. that one showed up on the dyno run as defective .. I replaced that one with new and now the bike is mostly together now.. the removed/ defective one I`ll get cleaned.

where will you be sending yours to ?
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 17 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

mostly done .. stripped out and cleaned the fuel pump..
the fuel filter was minging and @ 19k miles ..
replaced the 0 ring seal on the base and fired up...
just the plastics to go back on.
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