mod1 and mod2 on own/friends bike

[bigdom86]

hi all

not too sure on the legalities of this and if anyone has done it.

the cost of DAS is really putting me off, especially the cost of re-tests but I need to get a bigger bike.

have rode my friends gsxr600 on private property and got on fine with it, he has offered to ride me pillion to test centre and whack L plates on it for the tests. how would I go about insuring this as a learner? is that even possible?

or maybe i should bite the bullet and fork out £600-700

cheers

[Ste]

You can get insurance with your provisional entitlement through BikeSure.

Whether riding your mates bike around on private property will be adequate preparation for passing your tests is another matter.

[bigdom86]

i been pottering around on a 125 for almost a year too not that it helps or makes things worse.

i was just thinking even if i fail 4 times it is still cheaper than DAS

[Rogerborg]

[bigdom86]

if worse comes to worse I can buy the 600 i want and insure that one.

in terms of manouvers i found things much easier on the gixxer as you just ride the clutch

[talkToTheHat]

Some sportsbikes are not suitable for the mod 1 due to turning circle issues. If cash up front is an issue, some schools do a payg option, might work out cheaper if you are as good as you think you are.
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[Rogerborg]

[talkToTheHat]

Insurance costs are where this can all fall apart. A big chunk of training costs are insurance.

That said, i needed some extra time on my cbt, and i think i was charged about a tenner extra by MCE to be allowed to complete it on my own bike. Insurance in place i had a "named rider" deliver the bike to my house, instructor met me at my house and after a saturday morning of bimbling around all the roundabouts my instructor could find we went back to the training centre and i was given the choice of a cbt certificate and riding my bike home or leaving the bike in thier lockup and getting the bus home in shame. I think i saved some pennies overall. But arse end of a cbt on a mighty 10bhp gz125 marauder is not tests on a sportsbike.
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[Teflon-Mike]

Most folk pass tests on 'loaners'.. they were just loaned to them by the school....

And they normally have a 'loan agreement' on schools letter headed paper, to say that the bike is MOT'd (if necessary) Taxed and insured for the 'borrower' to ride; some-time they clip a photo-copy of the schools insurance cert on the back, but, 'legally' that 'declaration' and the 'tractability' it provides should any-one want to check its legitimacy is all the DVSA need; they aren't an MOT man or a Police man, making sure your bike is 100% legal isn't their primary job; they merely have to ask the question and get some 'assurance' that bike you present for test is in accordance with test requirements.

Using your own bike, it's not a lot different, and while its advisable you take all the usual docs you would if you got a 'producer' off plod, ie V5 and insurance cert; you may not actually be asked to show them; JUST sign a declaration that he bike is taxed ad insured and legal for you to ride.

Using a private 'loaner', shouldn't be a biggie, and way back when was actually quite common! Local examiners often knew it wasn't your bike before they asked you.. they'd had umpety other lads turn up for test on it in recent weeks, and each one had no more than a two-week 'cover-note' from Swintons to say they could ride it! But, all on computer now....

AND you have the nigglie that most ins co's wont offer yo a policy o a bike you don't have a licence to ride; or that's not registered n your name, or put you as named rider on some-one elses policy.

It is possible to 'wing it' on the 'extension cover' you might get with a car insurance policy or another bike policy that allows you to "drive other vehicles with owner's consent" I have tried to maintain such extension on at least one policy I've held for the last twenty years; BUT, its a loop-hole they have been closing up; and in the small print, car policies now often don't state 'any vehicle; they state 'other car' to exclude covering bikes, buses or even lorries! While bike policies, IF they have it, may say "Up t the displacement of the insured vehicle", so if you have insured a 125 you can ride other peoples 125's but not 600's or 1000's.

But, you are in the margins, and facing problems you don't need.

Use a School, do it by the book, keep it simple and straight forward ad make it easy for yourself not having to solve problems you don't need to.

I wouldn't suggest turning up to test on a GSXR600 to begin with; if its for an A2 test its out the question anyway, as it is not, cannot ad never will be an A2 eligible bike! For a full A test? Yeah, well, restricted steering lock and cramped up ridig position wont make it the easiest to wiggle through the Mod 1 cones or show on Mod 2 all your 'observations'! More 'problems' that you dot really need.

So what IS the problem?

Perennial one for every-one. MONEY

BUT that's what its for at the end of the day; you cant ride it, you cat eat it, you cant wear it, and it wont keep you warm unless its the paper sort and you set it on fire! All its good for it to pay for stuff to solve other problems.

Which means that the only 'real' problem in life is making the money to solve all your other problems.. make fewer problems that need money to solve, less of a problem making that money to start with is, isn't it?


But, look at what elce you get for that £600 coure fee other than a bike nder your bum for tests. You get umpety hours of expert tuition, and bike hire while you get it, and learning that should not just help dress up your riding so you are more likely to pass the tests and get a licence, BUT some 'learning' that one one two tips can save far more money than you spend, and a hell of a lot of 'hurt' in crashes you don't have because of it.!

Training ent a rip off, by a very long stretch of the imagination; you are getting an 'expert service' like a plumber, and I cant imagine one of them coming round to fix your central heating for as little as £180 a day, let alone giving you a big-bore motorbike to play with while they are fiddling with Mid-Position valves, twiddling taps and grumbling your pumps making a funny noise!

Or in short, cough up and make it easy on yourself! As the man with the hammer is alleged to have said!
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[Rogerborg]

[wots]

They don't ask for docs other than those specifically required to partake in the test. CBT, theory & Licence, or CBT, Theory, Licence and Mod1 for Mod2.

However, there is a tick box on the form declaring that you iz legal innit! That you must check. In reality you can ride up on a stolen bike with no docs other than those above and do the tests. I wouldn't, but you could.

EDIT: That is extremely tongue in cheek. I did Restricted A (33BHP) to full A on my own bike. It was easier for me as I rode up with restriction, removed and added L plates. Did test and rode out with restriction for Mod1 and without for Mod2.
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[bigdom86]

cheers for all the replies

i think for now i will go the DAS route and see what i can do rather than have the hassle of insuring my own bike and getting a friend to ride it down as i would either be buying a cbr600 or r6, neither of which would be too mod1 friendly i guess. if i fail then maybe i will look into doing it solo rather than forking out even more money

[stevo as b4]

If your mate has insurance and the bike is road worthy, taxed and legal and safe, then I would turn up on it if he's offered it to you.

What's the worst that can happen if you get asked to prove it's insured for you to ride and can't?

TBH I'm pretty sure that all test examiners must know that it's impossible for a person to turn up to an A test with a fully insured GSXR600.

The system is bollocks, but as TM says it's a case of its best to go for the DAS course with bike included simply because the other options are not really viable due to the system being anti individual.

[Rogerborg]

[wots]

A nice naked bike with a decent turning circle, can't imagine doing the U Turn on a supersports, unless you already compete in a Gymkhana.
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[riejumike]

[sorter]

Try it first on a bigger bike, I can do all manoeuvres on a CG125 in half the space given for Mod1, yet on a larger bike it seems a lot tighter. And steering lock limitation won't help you a lot - hence I after having a go at GSX600F I've ended up with a Yamaha Diversion - given, a person who rides such a bike daily would probably do it easily but I'm struggling now to find a way to legally practice on a bigger bike prior to my test, bike itself wouldn't be too much of an issue for Mod2 I guess apart from good visibility and comfortable riding position.

[P.addy]

[redeem ouzzer]

Teffers is cause for BCF to have a word limit per post, in order to stop this flood of pure autism.

[P.addy]