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PostPosted: 14:22 - 07 Jul 2025    Post subject: Re: UK employment law Reply with quote
lingeringstink wrote:
If I'm not mistaken the rules regarding employment for non-UK persons is that if you're an immigrant, and by that I mean a legal one that's played by all the rules and is in the country legally, you can not work for two years.

During that time you're also scrutinised to be of good character blah blah blah and after that two year period you are legally allowed to seek employment in the UK. Illegal immigrants do not have the right to work.

It would appear to me that all those illegal immigrants doing food delivery and the places that employ them are breaking the law. If this is the case you have to ask who's not doing their fucking job to enforce UK law. Not only is this detrimental to the public good (by having un-vetted criminals working in public) and damaging to the legal UK workforce it's also entirely against UK law, and even your (un)elected political leaders are not exempt from the law, so if you can identify the culprits allowing or partaking in illegal employment in the UK (including politicians and/or law enforcement) then perhaps a polite meeting with them involving hot tar and feathers should be arranged.


Well said. Brutal honesty and truth at it's finest !
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 07 Jul 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
police state
/pʊˈliːs ˌsteɪt,ˈpliːs ˌsteɪt/

noun

a totalitarian state controlled by a political police force that secretly supervises the citizens' activities.

Definitionally that's the UK as our police certainly are political and what laws they will or will not enforce are seemingly arbitrary.
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 07 Jul 2025    Post subject: Re: UK employment law Reply with quote
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It would appear to me that all those illegal immigrants doing food delivery and the places that employ them are breaking the law. If this is the case you have to ask who's not doing their fucking job to enforce UK law. Not only is this detrimental to the public good (by having un-vetted criminals working in public) and damaging to the legal UK workforce it's also entirely against UK law, and even your (un)elected political leaders are not exempt from the law, so if you can identify the culprits allowing or partaking in illegal employment in the UK (including politicians and/or law enforcement) then perhaps a polite meeting with them involving hot tar and feathers should be arranged.


meet your Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice Shabana Mahmood. a perfect representation of cool Britania...
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 12 Jul 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
In case you haven't noticed, takeaway places like KFC and McDonalds have an NFC tag on the wall for delivery riders to check in...

https://image.b2b.deliveroo.com/lib/fe331171756404757c1475/m/1/Rider_Checkin_Hero_240924.png

Note the translations: Portuguese* and Hindi Thinking

*Brazilian according to Google Translate
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 13 Jul 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
When I was still a motorcycle courier in the last dwindling days of it's rule there was an influx of generally Brazilians (but many other kind of Not British folks as well) who were often in the UK on student or tourist visas (no, you CAN'T legally seek employment Mr WhateverYourNameIs) who would rent or buy a bike on the never-never and do courier work until the taxman or immigration started to catch up with them and then they'd ditch the un-paid-for bike and leg it back to Bongo-Bongo Land or wherever they hailed from.

The courier firms didn't care. You were considered self employed so any employment legalities and tax shenanigans were up to the individual riders and anyway the courier firms could pay them under the table cash in hand at bargain rates if they asked nicely. It meant there was an unlimited supply of dogsbodies for these failing courier companies to use as their empire collapsed. The office knobs didn't care. They squirrelled away money for early retirement and the "couriers" fled the country without so much as a stern talking to. Basically the biggest loser in the game was the Great British Public who were oblivious to it all.
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 13 Jul 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
lingeringstink wrote:
When I was still a motorcycle courier in the last dwindling days of it's rule


So that industry is dead now is it ???
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 13 Jul 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
FF68 wrote:
lingeringstink wrote:
When I was still a motorcycle courier in the last dwindling days of it's rule


So that industry is dead now is it ???


Doesn't sickpup still do some courier work?

Anyway, it's a tiny fraction of what there used to be and the stuff that needs to be couriered around is pretty important so they don't use just anyone, only reliable known people - so I've been told by a mate who does that sort of thing. Blood bank and medical crap and the like.
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PostPosted: 01:35 - 23 Jul 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
Easy-X wrote:

"Dark Kitchens" - a concept that came out of the Covid lockdowns. I always wondered about that nomenclature at the time Thinking
Where did my reply go? Laughing
..which was, Dark Kitchens wasn't a Covid thing it, it was pre-covid Deliveroo desperation to balance books that's never happening. I will say this - after Deliveroo is bought out, it will see a massive write-down and culling. Deliveroo had 6-7 years to innovate their way through all obstacles, with literally endless finances... yet haven't really tried.

Once Roo dies, Uber will take a hit, Just Eat will buy the cheapest of the 2 and consolidate the market, then hike prices. I give it 4 years until there's 2 players left.
The reason nobody else will get to startup is because nobody will believe a startup can get right what Deliveroo got wrong, not without industry experience.

The key to beating Roo/Eats isn't in making their own food in secret grubby kitchens, irritating the restaurants by nabbing their customers was never a sensible recipe for success.


Polarbear wrote:
FF68 wrote:


So that industry is dead now is it ???


Doesn't sickpup still do some courier work?

Last time he posted, TheDon was still mooching around London town.
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 23 Jul 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
st3v3 wrote:
..which was, Dark Kitchens wasn't a Covid thing it, it was pre-covid Deliveroo desperation to balance books that's never happening.


Fair enough, I only saw it get any traction during Covid in my segment (hospitality) but it was a universal "tried it, didn't like it" from my clients.
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 23 Jul 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
Easy-X wrote:
from my clients.


Interesting. Do tell.
You appear to be someone special that (self proclaimed) is better than "normal" folk Question

Back on topic.. Question
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 23 Jul 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
Huh? I work for a living, what's special about that?!
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PostPosted: 06:03 - 24 Jul 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
maybe he means special as in special needs Laughing
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PostPosted: 07:47 - 24 Jul 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
Easy-X wrote:
Huh? I work for a living, what's special about that?!


Fair enough mate. Maybe I misread your comment.
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 24 Jul 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
FYI I develop software for the hospitality industry. It's B2B and corporate contracts - no dealing with the public - so I usually refer to them as clients rather than customers or punters.
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 24 Jul 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
Easy-X wrote:
FYI I develop software for the hospitality industry. It's B2B and corporate contracts - no dealing with the public - so I usually refer to them as clients rather than customers or punters.


I was led to believe only whores, hairdressers and lawyers had 'clients' for the rest of us 'customers'..
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 24 Jul 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
A100man wrote:


I was led to believe only whores...


well he is easy Wink
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 24 Jul 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
Easy-X wrote:
st3v3 wrote:
..which was, Dark Kitchens wasn't a Covid thing it, it was pre-covid Deliveroo desperation to balance books that's never happening.


Fair enough, I only saw it get any traction during Covid in my segment (hospitality) but it was a universal "tried it, didn't like it" from my clients.
It was a mess, because they massively underestimated legacy brand loyalty; restaurants are pretty good at what they do, you can't squeeze a random chef into a portakabin behind B&Q and say "make replicas of Nando's nosh in this BluePeter kitchen"

It's the same struggle Getir had, trying to compete with The big supermarkets by selling Nisa stock from grubby industrial estates. Domestic brands have glossy marketing for a reason.

Back to original OP question: I rarely ever order takeaway, not only because I don't trust how it's been handled but also because I hate it takes 90 mins to arrive. Most takeaways still keep rustbucket hot hatches around for deliveries, when most of the time they're sitting in traffic. Massively inefficient. I'm not paying £40 for an inefficient meal
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PostPosted: 03:23 - 30 Jul 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote
Polarbear wrote:
Doesn't sickpup still do some courier work?


These days I sit in an office.

Polarbear wrote:
Anyway, it's a tiny fraction of what there used to be and the stuff that needs to be couriered around is pretty important so they don't use just anyone, only reliable known people - so I've been told by a mate who does that sort of thing. Blood bank and medical crap and the like.


Yep, I work in medical logistics.

The rest of the industry is still going but it has shrunk considerably from the 1990's and expanded in places as well as companies can no longer afford in house transport.
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