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PostPosted: 04:42 - 21 Apr 2005    Post subject: Single Sided Swingarms = how? Reply with quote

A close friend on MSN asked me (through very amusing internet art) - what keeps a single sided swingarm's wheel on?

Is it just kept on by some kind of circlip or something? i've often wondered it myself....
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PostPosted: 04:45 - 21 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

OTZ...................my primary school kids (or even playschool)style drawing ........

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PostPosted: 08:25 - 21 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are big F off bolts, but that is only on a VFR that i have been up close to, from memory i think some bikes have just one nut that it done up very tight with a split pin or similar to keep it on the bolt
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 21 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to own a VFR

The VFR's are very similar to the way a cars wheel is held on, four or five big bolts and the sprocket stays attached to the swinging arm when you take the wheel off. Only problem with the 750/800 VFR's is that you have to take the exhaust off too, cos it's in the way Rolling Eyes

The smaller VFR's have the exhaust routed the same side as the sprocket so you can just undo the bolts

Don't know about anything else though.....
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 21 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah generally manufacturers will put a big nut on to keep the wheel in place.

(This could join that petrol pump post the other day) Wink Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 21 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.wemoto.com/library/honda-vfr400rl-1991/honda-vfr400rl-1991-rewh.jpg

A big nut holding the wheel onto a stub axle, with bearings between the wheel and axle to allow it to spin. (I assume anyway.)
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 21 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be a 36mm nut. Done up to something like 160nm.

Halfords don't sell 36mm sockets. They sell 34 and 38, but not 36.

My torque wrench goes up to about 80nm.

You may have realised by now that removing the rear wheel from Luke's VFR on Saturday didn't go terribly well. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 21 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

My RS has three bolts and a conspicuous looking hole that looks like something should be in it.
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 21 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Believe it's 120Nm, and my torque wrench only goes to 60Nm Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 21 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:
It would be a 36mm nut. Done up to something like 160nm.

Halfords don't sell 36mm sockets. They sell 34 and 38, but not 36.

My torque wrench goes up to about 80nm.

You may have realised by now that removing the rear wheel from Luke's VFR on Saturday didn't go terribly well. Mr. Green

I'm pretty certain I got my 36mm socket from halfords. Confused
The spanner for the bolt on the other side (think it was a 42mm) was a bit harder to find.
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 21 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

MementoMori wrote:
My RS has three bolts and a conspicuous looking hole that looks like something should be in it.


It looks as though yours has a wheel on a hub held onto the axle by a nut (somewhere). Taper roller bearings mean that a single nut can be used to hold them on and they can still rotate.

See the attached picture for how the taper roller bearings work. The bearings and the space between the outer dust cover and the lip seal at the other end is normally filled with grease.
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 21 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mopeds are a circlip, not sure on bigger bikes, all mine have been normal swing arms.


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PostPosted: 13:11 - 21 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stew wrote:

The spanner for the bolt on the other side (think it was a 42mm) was a bit harder to find.


Oh dear.

I don't think Luke's planned that far ahead. Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 21 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The big nut is only really removed if the entire eccentric hub needs to be taken apart, no need if its just to remove the wheel. Smile
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 21 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cos it currently has a wet rear and a road front. Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 21 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theres a split pin through the nut holding it in place. All the race derived Honda single swingers use a single big nut, with the road biased ones (VFR750F/VFR800F) using 4 smaller bolts into the hub.
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 21 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:
It would be a 36mm nut. Done up to something like 160nm.

Halfords don't sell 36mm sockets. They sell 34 and 38, but not 36.


Hi

Think I managed to get one from Halfords, but I think it was an impact socket (matt black finish, hefty sides). Failing that try your local Partco as I picked one up there are well (the impact one had too thick sides to fit in the space available).

The RS 50 has a hole in the centre of the wheel to allow you to stick it on a machine to balance it. The bearings are just normal ball bearings.

All the best

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PostPosted: 16:38 - 21 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:

The RS 50 has a hole in the centre of the wheel to allow you to stick it on a machine to balance it. The bearings are just normal ball bearings.

All the best

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Just normal rather deep groove bearings? Confused
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 21 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

as said, on my nc30, its a big 36mm nut with a spacer things, and all the running gear(discs, calipers and sprockets) are kept on the swingarm

five 'spikes' slide into locating holes on the backside of the wheel and then the spacer goes on and then the nut

ot, i dunno if any other nc30 owners feel this way, but when im holding a 1/2 inch torque wrench with a 36mm socket head on, i feel like a real man
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 21 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

v4forlife wrote:
ot, i dunno if any other nc30 owners feel this way, but when im holding a 1/2 inch torque wrench with a 36mm socket head on, i feel like a real man

I tend to feel like a man most of the time. Razz (maybe not a real one)
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 21 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchaggis wrote:
Just normal rather deep groove bearings? Confused


Just the same as normal bike wheel bearings (although a decent size).

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:32 - 21 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't wish to hijack this thread with stuff about my own bike but this is the hole I was talking about.
I have no idea what it does. Can anyone tell me what it's there for?

Thanks.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 21 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't you insert a bar of some kind into the hole then loosen two bolts at the back of the swingarm. Then as you move the bike forward it adjust the chain tension or something? I could be wrong but I'm sure it was mentioned not too long ago somewhere.
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 21 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Stew is right. It is for adjusting the chain.

All the best

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PostPosted: 20:47 - 21 Apr 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

My bike has a 46mm nut! Mr. Green

The socket I use has Triumph engraved upon it! Cool

The wheel can be removed without the brake disc, brake, hub, or axle being removed, and with a high level exhaust (which I have) I can change the wheel in two minutes! Smile

And there is no poncing about with wheel alignment! Smile
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