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freestyler_onli
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 14 May 2005    Post subject: Wheelies Reply with quote

If you attempt them, what is your preferred way to do them- rolling start or what?? Shocked
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 14 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolling IMO as its a bit hard to begin wheelying from a standstill as u wont have ya balance on the bike n that,,,


Take it easy to start with tho dont wanna flip it 1st time Cool <---- speaking from experience Embarassed
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Righto ta- ill bear that in mind Cool
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

On mine its get to 6k revs in 2nd then chop the throttle and find the balance point Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely rolling. I have played with standing start ones, but it is a lot more complicated. Slow speed wheelies are much harder to keep going in a straight line as well.

On the GSXR, probably start at mid revs, off the throttle for a second then wack it open.
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I just ask, as it does affect wheelying. I know you probably can't do this on the ZXR 400 anyway, but if I am low revs in a gear, and I like whack the throttle on, it kinda gargles and doesn't really go at all, so I have to release and do it more gradually. What would be causing this? Sorry to go off topic.
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

BikerBen wrote:
more gradually. What would be causing this? Sorry to go off topic.


All the power in 400's is at the top of the revs, so basically its because your engine isnt powerful enough, its a bit the same with 600's, all power at the top end. Have to wait until you get a 1 litre bike for lots of low downgrunt out of a 4, or a v twin.
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Dr Nick, so this is normal for my bike then, to not really go if I pull the throttle back fast in low revs?
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a 12bhp 125 4 stroke - the only way is from stationary or <5mph. 1st gear, Clutch all the way in, rev to 7k and drop. It's reluctant to do it in 2nd when rolling - it will pop the front wheel up a couple of inches, but nothing too dramatic. If you've got your balance point correct, so long as you keep the throttle pinned open, you'll cover sufficient distance on the back wheel. But if the revs drop, your front will go down.

It goes without saying - WARM UP YOUR BIKE first before doing them. Doing wheelies on a cold engine with insufficient lubrication will lead in tears and a broken something or another at worst, or a rather notchy gearchange at best.

Yet to try rolling gear changes as i've yet to go on a bike >27bhp (Honda NSR)
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

BikerBen wrote:
Thanks Dr Nick, so this is normal for my bike then, to not really go if I pull the throttle back fast in low revs?


Yer it does it with mine if i crack it open at low revs, nothing happens until it gets into the higher revs then it starts to take off.

You've got to wind 400's and 600's up.
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice.

So to wheely 400's you have to drop the clutch a fair bit I take it. I saw this BCF video which was at box hill. A green and white ZXR 400 was the main focus of the video. One guy (Zim I think? In green leathers, dunno who he is) was really good at wheelying it, though he did keep going in first gear until you hear some painful high rev noise that has gone past redline lol...
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

If i were to crack my throttle open in top gear at 3k rpm, it would probably stall Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

just a side note, i'm doing small attempts at wheelies... just about get the wheel off the floor (FZR6) but you HAVE to dump the clutch? correct.

i normally cruise hand of cluthc between 2-4k revs, hold clutch to biting point, rev till about 6-8k then dump, is this right?
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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1st gear 5-6k revs shut then open the throttle and lean back. much easyer with a pillon on the back Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drummer wrote:
just a side note, i'm doing small attempts at wheelies... just about get the wheel off the floor (FZR6) but you HAVE to dump the clutch? correct.

i normally cruise hand of cluthc between 2-4k revs, hold clutch to biting point, rev till about 6-8k then dump, is this right?



On my Hornet it comes up off the power in 1st, or give it a big yank in 2nd and it comes up at around 6k revs, you can either chop the throttle or give it a yank, i find it comes up smoother with the yank. No clutch involved




My bikes downgeared from 15/42 to 14/45 tho Whistle
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

mine attempts to get up on power... but i have a holey exhaust, and it seems to lack a bit of power
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

My GS barely lifts...
<15mph, first gear, clutch in at about 5k revs, rev it up to 8-9k revs, drop and hope. It doesnt even lift in second gear, and attempting to do a "Roll On" style where you simply drop and open the throttle simply hurts your arms a little as it pulls away. Sad
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 15 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poor Method Razz

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PostPosted: 13:28 - 16 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to find you should roll off the throttle in first, the front will dip under engine braking, as it rebounds and is on the way back up, snap the throttle open and bingo, the front wheel comes up to say hello.

This was on an MZ 125 though, and I think had quite a low first gear.

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PostPosted: 15:24 - 16 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh, ill give it a shot when i get my bike back on the road! Smile
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 16 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Titz wrote:
On a 12bhp 125 4 stroke - the only way is from stationary or <5mph. 1st gear, Clutch all the way in, rev to 7k and drop.

on my gs125 i find it is impossible to get a proper wheelie up unless i rev it to 10k(the redline) anything less and it is sooo reluctant to lift up at all. thing is, it also depends how far you lean back as well. i tried it at 5mph but leant back as far as possible, and it would have carried on wheelying until i was off the back Embarassed .it was close.
i once watched a Superbike Magazine "how to wheelie" dvd. they said dont try to wheelie if you cant use the power to wheelie alone. didnt really think about us little 4stroke 125 riders! Laughing
at least my clutch is still surviving! Cool
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 16 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems most people do power wheelies on here but I've heard that the pro's tend to only do clutch wheelies, anyone know why?
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 16 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

power wheelies are for amateurs Razz Clutching tends to give you a lot more control over the wheelie when getting it up.
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PostPosted: 16:46 - 16 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the difference??
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 16 May 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally I've found powering it up is unpredictable (comes up quite violently) but clutching it gives you more control as you're feeding it through the clutch.
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