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jimster
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 12 Aug 2005    Post subject: Petrol prices - crazy or what? Reply with quote

I'm worried that petrol prices are never going to go back below 1 pound a litre, and that really sucks!

Looking at the reasons for the increase, I don't think that this is a short-term blip, and that scares me. Who knows where this will end??

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PostPosted: 22:02 - 12 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whoop de doo.... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 12 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

instigator wrote:
Whoop de doo.... Rolling Eyes


LMAO

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PostPosted: 22:46 - 12 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember the petrol strike a few years ago, I had my vespa PX125, kept me going all through the strike on a full tank and then when the petrol stations opened I just scooted to the front of a huge queue of cars and filled up.
Me & my mate laughed our tits off.

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PostPosted: 22:50 - 12 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a diesel bike, some can do about 130mpg Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 12 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

At £1 a litre you are paying about 64p tax a litre.

There is plenty of oil about. Proven reserves were about 45 years, but that is economically viable known reserves at current rates of consumption, and with higher prices of oil that will have risen.

It is also quite easy to run diesel vehicles on bio fuels, and alcohol can be substitued into petrol with some changes.

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PostPosted: 23:00 - 12 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZZRman wrote:
Get a diesel bike, some can do about 130mpg Laughing


https://www.gizmag.co.uk/watermark.php?p=4273_17070534841.jpg

https://www.gizmag.co.uk/go/4273/1/

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“The bike uses a turbo charged, direct injection engine, with intercooler. It produces at the moment approximately 70 bhp and 160 Nm (118 ft pound) of torque. We will increase the power and torque later this year to more than 100 bhp and between 200 to 250 Nm of torque. We decided to slowly increase the power output of the machine, so we can easily see what the effects are and because it’s an enormous amount of torque on the drive train of the machine. It has five speed gearbox and a dry slipper clutch.”


I dare say that one might not. Twisted Evil


Edit: I spoke too soon. 2.5 litres per 100km is 114 mpg if I calculated that right. Shocked
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 12 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it gets too silly I'm getting myself an MZ 2-stroke. I know of a guy who is running his on pre-pack methylated spirits and paint thinners via an SU carb. He had the carb jet adjuster attached to a bowden lever so he could alter tha diameter of the main jet on the fly to suit whatever fuel he was using at the time. Class act Cool
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 12 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
There is plenty of oil about.


That's not the point - petrol won't ever run out, but the crunch will be when there's not enough to go around. What scares me now is that the previous oil crises were caused by politics; this time OPEC is trying to satisfy demand, but there's no spare capacity.

I think it's scary - probably prices will go down again, but they might not.
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 12 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimster wrote:
probably prices will go down again, but they might not.


they won't fully, even if there is a repreave in the whole war/oil shortage the government will say well 'they' (the public) have been survuiving at X price, we will lower it to Y price and have and extra Z to our kitty. bastards! Middle Finger Evil or Very Mad Middle Finger
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 12 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Short term, it wont go down. Long term? It may go up more.

At the end of the day, if you have a 600, you wont be paying *loads* for fuel when you compare it, to say, a landrover or something like that. I feel much more for people with huge petrol drinking engines.

I do believe the phrase is "shit happens". Deal with it Smile

I hear in zimbabwe [sp?] it's £3 a litre. Imagine that.
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 12 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

What depresses me is little is being done to improve public transport.

In almost every case, the train is at least double the cost of taking the bike somewhere... and you still have to add Bus/Taxi fares onto that... and the time spent waiting for these services!

The cost of transport is going up... which is a shame as I always considered that getting around was no longer a problem in this day and age. Seems a few hundred miles acually is Sad

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PostPosted: 23:41 - 12 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimster wrote:
What scares me now is that the previous oil crises were caused by politics; this time OPEC is trying to satisfy demand, but there's no spare capacity.


Problem is that demand has increased faster than capacity, and it takes time to build capacity.

To a large extent it is self regulating. Oil price rises and bio fuels become commercially viable. Suspect they are pretty close to that already, if not already over that level (if the current price is maintained)

Petrol prices were around this level only a few years ago.

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PostPosted: 23:45 - 12 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Petrol prices were around this level only a few years ago.


anyone got a chart to show how average prices have varied over the last 20 years?
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 12 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

UP YE !!! Laughing

Petrol prices in Scotland ain't that high, it's about 90p a litre in most place, even when I went to rural Wales it was only about 93/94p....

Still, I get 150/170 miles for every £12 of Optimax in the bike and 370 miles for every £35 pounds of unleaded in my Honda Civic. TBH I think thats pretty good going. Confused
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 12 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craggles wrote:
What depresses me is little is being done to improve public transport.


Why bother? It is not energy efficient. Modern buses are doing 5~6mpg, pathetic for something with on average 9 passengers, worse than an averagly laded 40mpg diesel car, or about the same as a petrol bike doing 47mpg with just a rider on it. Trains are no better either. When you start to include the extra long routes they take in comparison to the direct route a private motorists will use they look even worse.

All the best

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PostPosted: 23:49 - 12 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

White Noise wrote:
anyone got a chart to show how average prices have varied over the last 20 years?
WN


The AA do a fuel price report, available for the last five years.

https://www.theaa.com/allaboutcars/fuel/

Edit:
Here's an interesting section of a dti report on energy prices:
https://www.dti.gov.uk/energy/inform/energy_prices/#section4
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PostPosted: 23:52 - 12 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best bet for getting your petrol for less than a £1 a litre is move further north, I'm paying 89.9p per litre up here Cool
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PostPosted: 23:56 - 12 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

GB-UK wrote:
I'm paying 89.9p per litre up here Cool


The sickening thing is that that can be seen as an achievement. Confused When you pass derelict petrol stations with 72.4p per litre on their signs, it just pisses you off. Mad
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 12 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Northallerton its only 86.9p per litre Cool Cool Cool
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 13 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where is that then james?

Its 91.9p per litre at stone cross and 89.9p at massingberds.
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PostPosted: 00:17 - 13 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Why bother? It is not energy efficient. Modern buses are doing 5~6mpg, pathetic for something with on average 9 passengers, worse than an averagly laded 40mpg diesel car, or about the same as a petrol bike doing 47mpg with just a rider on it. Trains are no better either. When you start to include the extra long routes they take in comparison to the direct route a private motorists will use they look even worse.


Something has to budge - at the end of the day Oil is going to be on ration. I doubt we'll ever run out completley, but it's not going to be readily avaliable for privateers to just burn.

In all honesty, I think the solution is the Train - but not in the state the UK railway network is at the moment. If the trains got better (read: cheaper), I would switch for all my long-distance. I'm sure there are others like me.

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PostPosted: 01:04 - 13 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all well and good for the government to put petrol tax up to "persuade" you on to public transport, but what if you live in the middle of nowhere? In Sheffield I have a wide choice of buses, trams and trains to choose from to get around, but up in the Durham countryside we have one bus an hour to Durham City (if it bothers, and it costs £4.10 for a 12 mile round trip!!) and nothing as advanced as a train or tram. A car or bike is essential, whatever the price of fuel Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 01:39 - 13 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Tesco station I work in has stayed at 89.9 for a good while now, but was only 85p when I started out 2 months ago. The diesel prices seem to go up more frequently, at our station at least, now thats at 93.9p.

I'm curious to see what it'd be like working in a petrol station during a strike, just get harassed about the extortionate prices and have very quiet shifts. Laughing On the other hand, being a road user, thats the last thing I want. Sad
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PostPosted: 02:16 - 13 Aug 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is one of the reasons I just got a bike...

I can do 130 miles to about £11 on my ZZR, where as, my Mitsubishi VR4 gets 180 miles to about £50....

Needless to say, the car has become a weekend play thing and the bike now bears the brunt of my commuting and general travel.
I see this as a win / win situation, as the running cost of the car was crippling me to the point of selling it.

As for oil reserves, they will never run out.... Anyone (myself included) that used to believe the old - oil is dead animals and trees routine - open your eyes a bit. It's been proven that oil is a naturally produced by-product of the earths core fussion (sp) process. There was a web site that had lots of info on it, but I don't have the addy here. I will find it and post it.... Then you can decide what you believe...

OPEC and the likes have been using the running out fast routine since the 70's to line their own pockets, and will continue to do so... Thumbs Down
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