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PostPosted: 10:56 - 01 Jan 2006    Post subject: Jump starting a bike from car/other bike Reply with quote

from this site:- https://www.batterycouncil.org/jumpstart.html


https://www.batterycouncil.org/images/jump.gif


1. Connect positive (+) booster cable to positive (+) terminal of discharged battery.

2. Connect other end of positive (+) cable to positive (+) terminal of assisting battery.

3. Connect negative (-) cable to negative (-) terminal of assisting battery.

4. MAKE FINAL CONNECTION OF NEGATIVE (-) CABLE TO ENGINE BLOCK OF STALLED VEHICLE, AWAY FROM BATTERY.

5. Start vehicle and remove cables in REVERSE order of connections.





The reason you connect to the dead battery first is to avoid sparks. If you've flattened your battery trying to start it then it'll be churning out a lot of Hydrogen.

If you connect the jump lead to the good battery and then to your flat battery you've got a voltage difference - 12 volts on the good 'un, 9 volts or less on your flat one.

Where you've got a voltage difference, you'll get a spark.

Add a spark to hydrogen and ...... Thumbs Down Embarassed





Is this worth making a 'sticky'?
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 01 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy very handy
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 01 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

But the sparks are pretty. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 01 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finglonga wrote:
But the sparks are pretty. Twisted Evil




So is my face, and I want to keep it that way Wink
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 01 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should add if you're starting a bike from a car then DON'T have the car engine running. Car alternator is normally much higher output and if you get a power spike then you can cook your bike electrics.
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 01 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

The ampage should not really matter. Amps are drawn through by the consuming item, not pushed through by the supplying item.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 01 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always done mine via the wife's car with the engine running. Never had any problems [yet!]
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 01 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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The ampage should not really matter. Amps are drawn through by the consuming item, not pushed through by the supplying item.

All the best

Keith

I'm not on about the bike drawing the current, I'm on about the car pushing voltage into the bikes electrical system, you're bypassing the bike's reg/rec putting the car's output straight to the bikes battery terminals and therefore the whole electrical system via the jump leads any spike could affect electrical items.
The original thread is from https://www.batterycouncil.org/jumpstart.html as stated, but if you read the whole page is says vehicle ignition OFF nowhere does it say start the donor vehicle. Seen a few references to damage caused by it, here's one off VD, blew his CDI, https://www.visordown.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218454&highlight=car+jump+start can't be arsed to search for the others I've seen with similar.
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 01 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Voltage is the same on the car and the bike. Both a nominal 12V going up to ~14V when charging heavily.

Only exception would be the few vehicles that use higher voltage electrical systems (eg, buses with 24V electrics), or against a 6V bike. In these cases you would fry the electrics irrespective of whether the engine is running or not.

Most likely way of causing damage is by connecting the -'ve wires first and then touching the +'ve wire to the frame while connecting it.

All the best

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PostPosted: 17:02 - 01 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bezzer wrote:
I'm on about the car pushing voltage into the bikes electrical system, you're bypassing the bike's reg/rec putting the car's output straight to the bikes battery terminals.


As Keith says, all you're pushing out of the car battery is 14 ish volts (if you rev it) - the same as the bike's system would be giving if the engine was revving. If you haven't got somebody in the car flooring the pedal, as soon as you start to crank the bike over the car's voltage is going to drop anyway.
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 01 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Voltage is the same on the car and the bike. Both a nominal 12V going up to ~14V when charging heavily.

Only exception would be the few vehicles that use higher voltage electrical systems (eg, buses with 24V electrics), or against a 6V bike. In these cases you would fry the electrics irrespective of whether the engine is running or not.

Most likely way of causing damage is by connecting the -'ve wires first and then touching the +'ve wire to the frame while connecting it.

All the best

Keith


Now I agree with the above but remember a few bikes use a lower voltage CDI. The ER 5 is one, there is a resistor in the ignition which likes to blow and if it does it can take out the CDI but this can happen if the reg/rec fails. A lot of pattern ignitions don't have the resistor in them.

I've heard several times that you can blow the CDI on a bike if you jump start it but still can't work out how.

MAYBE if the battery was very dead it would provide enough resistance to pull a lot of amps but this wouldn't go further than the battery BUT if you managed to start the bike and then disconnected the car battery while reving the bike hard the resitance of the bikes dead battery could I suppose raise the amps high enough to burn out first the reg/rec then the CDI but I really doubt it.

I think most of these things are down to twat mechanics or other problems that haven't been noticed.
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 02 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Help!

My SV battery is flat (i left the parking lights on, whata stupid idea they are)

What's the verdict? My mate tells me I'll fry the ignition if I jump it from a car?
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 02 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

FreshAL wrote:

What's the verdict? My mate tells me I'll fry the ignition if I jump it from a car?


Your mate is talking poop. I've jump started my bike from my mates 4x$ with the engine running.

Just drawing current from the batter wasn't enough, my bike battery was as flat as a pancake!
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 02 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Same here, done it loads of times without problems.

What quite possibly will cause a problem is connecting the leads up carelessly and touching the positive to the frame with the negative already connected (one good reason to connect the positive first and the negative 2nd).

All the best

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PostPosted: 15:49 - 03 Feb 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed.
The one to watch is jumping car from car with the engine running. If the 'donor' battery is a bit weak, the alternator tries to kick out enough to power the starter, and that's not good Thumbs Down It is possible to fry the alternator of the donor.
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