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R4nger
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PostPosted: 00:54 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes they can. Anti-social bahaviour or something stupid. You have to repeat the offense though.
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PostPosted: 00:55 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The insurance thing sounds like scare tactics to me, they can put an apb out on the bike, but if they did, they'd just be utter idiots, coz you'd get pulled by every bizzie who called your license plate in to dispatch.

They can do you for dangerous driving, or driving without due care and attention anyway if they really want...

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PostPosted: 01:03 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

They can, but not sure of the ins and outs of it, and what is covered.

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PostPosted: 01:13 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

They can. But I am pretty sure they have to serve a notice outlining what the behaviour is and outlining what happens if you do it again on you first.

Wasn't G served one at some point?
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 01:19 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yokogeri wrote:
Jesus! Id rather have 3 points and a £60 fine than have my bike taken from me!


You have to pay to get it back. Suspect that they will try it on the wrong person at some point and get taken through the courts as it is effectively a fine and only the courts can legally impose a fine.

Yokogeri wrote:
Surly they'd have to prove it with video evidence etc? Else he could just say oh didnt you see that other bike zoom off up there, I did. Or something like that.


Nope, just their opinion is enough.

Knew someone who got done for "above 40" on a dual carraigeway (woth a 40 limit) many years ago. He didn't argue as he was doing about 95 at the time.

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PostPosted: 02:16 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes they can, i got caught wheelying off some lights and then speeding, unfortunatly it was a traffic car, i got three points and a £60 fine. AND a notice saying that if my bike, or anyone riding it was seen commiting any stupidity on it basicly, that it would be impounded and i woul dhave to pay around £115 to get it back.

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PostPosted: 02:37 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was caught scratching on a roundabout, received a section 59, a bollocking and a warning that my bike may be impounded if i was caught doing it again.
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PostPosted: 07:53 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

From my experience of dealing with insurance companies they won't insure an illegal race can.
The same goes for any other illegal modifications afaik.
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yokogeri wrote:
What happened to all this innocent till proven guilty bollox?


Nothing, just that the word of a police officer is taken as proof. Difference here is that the police can cost you a large amount of money without needing to go to court (probably illegal).

Yokogeri wrote:
I'm pretty shocked that some one can be done on just a coppers opinion.


Reason why having police officers with so much power who are prepared to lie is such a bad idea.

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PostPosted: 17:40 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your bike (or car, or quad, whatever) can be seized if it is used in an anti-social manner. As most of us have read in the papers, "Anti-Social Behavior" can have a wide scope. Speeding could be considered anti-social under a number of circumstances (speeding in 30 and 40 zones would definately be, on a motorway perhaps not so). Loud cans on bikes i.e. non road-legal), riding where you shouldnt, racing, popping wheelies etc could be also be considered anti-social.

The average rider who misbehaves occassionally (under controlled conditions of course Wink ) is not likely to suffer their bike being seized. If however you are a habitually incondsiderate rider/driver then you could be dealt with by having the offending machine confiscated.

Oh, and the insurance thing is true. Police can get insurance details about your policy over the radio. Not all companies have signed up to this to date, but the majority have and the rest will shortly.

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PostPosted: 18:41 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Danny wrote:
From my experience of dealing with insurance companies they won't insure an illegal race can.
The same goes for any other illegal modifications afaik.


Told my insurers about my 'not for road use' can along with a list of extras I had fitted. I had no problems, they even sent a list of the extra things that were covered and the can was on there. Wink
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finglonga, on the documentation they sent you did it explicitly say that this can is not for road use or words to that effect?
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: checked.... Reply with quote

With a mate whose a copper .....

He says that they can do this under the reform act 2000.....same as section 59.

They visit and say they have reason to believe you were driving/riding unsociably and they get you to sign a form.

If you are caught again in the said period they will sieze your vehicle.

He says it is working ......be careful.

Hope this helps. Smile
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 05 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Danny wrote:
Finglonga, on the documentation they sent you did it explicitly say that this can is not for road use or words to that effect?


It was a Typed copy of the handwritten list I gave them. It stated in a list under a heading Non Standard Parts fitted. It does have the words 'not for road use' on it. I will try to find the list, not sure if I still have it as I have Changed the spec of the bike since, but I will post the list if I still have it. I was told by 1 insurer(Bennets) if the end can power increase is less than 5BHP then I don't need to tell them about it, sounded dodgy to me so i went with another insurer who advised me to tell them of any aftermarket items fitted.

Now I always tell the insurer about anything extra fitted to the bike eg. Spotlights, Hugger even a fender extender. That way they will find it hard to wangle their way out of a payout if I ever need to claim.
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 06 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finglonga, did you manage to find that list?

It's interesting that they will insure illegal parts, every time I've asked I've always been told they will never insure an illegal modification.
Do you mind me asking what company that was?

Finglonga wrote:
I was told by 1 insurer(Bennets) if the end can power increase is less than 5BHP then I don't need to tell them about it, sounded dodgy to me so i went with another insurer who advised me to tell them of any aftermarket items fitted.
I've had similarly poor advice from other companies about not declaring modifications, even when I've insisted one company refused Shocked (can't remember who it was though).
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PostPosted: 00:45 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Danny wrote:
Finglonga, did you manage to find that list?

It's interesting that they will insure illegal parts, every time I've asked I've always been told they will never insure an illegal modification.
Do you mind me asking what company that was?



The company was NIG Scandia, but speaking th the other half she seems to think the list was off the brokers not the actual insurance company, and she thinks she may have thrown it away due to it being over a year old. Rolling Eyes
I was sure it was off the insurance company(may be wrong), I am still 100% sure it was insured, as were the end cans I have had on previouse bikes. I have never been told that they are not when ringing details through.

If they have moved the goalposts, and won't insure race cans, they have only done it recently. That also means there is a hell of alot of riders going around with potentially void insurance. Shocked

Hmmmm Just found this on another Forum.....
"I suspect what it really comes down to is whether or not you've told your insurer. Mention a "non-standard" can and they'll ask whether it's BSI stamped, road legal etc.. Tell 'em no and they'll terminate the quote at that point. Tell 'em yes and they'll ask for more details and usually carry on with the quote."

I will let you know how I get on next time I get my quotes. Confused
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PostPosted: 01:05 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was in 2004 that I was doing my insurance business, in 2005 The Financial Services Authority was created and made lots of changes, but I assume that one of them wasn't to allow illegal modifications.
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PostPosted: 01:19 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I understand the law you cannot be insured to commit an illegal act. But there are ways around this.

The old mag rider policy was worded in such a way that your bike had to meet the regs from about 1930 or so.
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got served an 'ASBO', as can be seen in my avatar.

If they just did him for speeding off, then that doesn't come under the terms of an ASBO, but what I suspect they did him for was the loud noise.
Was this late at night?

Incidentally, when I got done, I believe what I was doing did not come into the terms of the ASBO (yes, police corruption, yet again! Razz). The ASBO states that what I was doing was either endangering someone or something, or create a noise nuisance.
I was doing a wheelie in an empty part of a car park, with a standard can on my dr600.
The only possible damage I could have done is that if I had managed to crash it (was well controlled, by the way), would be to have possibly further broken the broken farm style gate lying on the floor ahead of me.
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 07 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
....would be to have possibly further broken the broken farm style gate lying on the floor ahead of me.
Maybe he was worried about you damaging a tree by crashing into it. Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 08 Jan 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i love your police hating siggi, cracks me up everytime!!lol
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