Daytime MOT

[Gazdaman]

Info seems quite scarce.

Since I'm race prepping the MZ, the engine will still be standard, and I don't have a trailer, I'm going to have to keep it semi road legal.

Anyone care to speculate on what I'll need?

Chain guard? Mudguard? Brake light, horn, no indicators, no headlight.

I know Korn's R6 was on a daytime MOT, Would I need a light to illuminate the number plate?

I've got a website with the exact MOT criteria for a standard MOT, but not for daytime.

Gaz

[mrchips]

I'd imagine you'd need a horn and a brakelight.
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[yzf750r]

[Ste]

Daylight MOT has the same requirements as a normal MOT, expect it's for use in daylight only so you don't need any lights apart from a brake light. Rest of it is the same or at least it was when I got one.

[stinkwheel]

It is rather vague, there is not really such a thing as a 'daytime' MOT. There are certain circumstances under which you can be exempted from some of the requirements.

It also contains a lot of 'in the oppinion of the tester' type stuff so I would suggest getting in with a backstreet mtoorcycle garage that does MOTs, look for customised/old/bodged bikes outside it as these guys:
a) Actually know the rules rather than failing something because they haven't seen it before and it isn't Japanese and less than five years old.
b) Are more likely to let a grey area slip past as they usually appreciate what you are trying to do.

How old is the bike? This can have a bearing on things.

With regard to headlamps and position lamps:

[Gazdaman]

You need a chain guard at the entry and exit points of the sprocket for scrutineering. I'll just keep the MZ chain enclosure.

Ok, so I can safely junk the headlight, and change the rear light for just a brake light.

The bike is a 1990, so none of the age exemptions help too much. The horn thing is annoying, because it means I'll probably have to keep the switchgear.

I would cut off the mudguard, but then I might have problems fitting the numberplate and brake light. But I'm sure I can get inventive with that one.

Any more input? I appreciate that Stinkwheel, I'll go and pester some MOT stations in the week.

Gaz

[Kickstart]

Hi

Bit dubious as to whether, legally, there really is such a thing as a daytime MOT. Never yet seem anything official to support the existance of one.

Further bit from the website Stinkwheeel quotes from.

[Gazdaman]

Surely that contradicts what Stinkwheel pasted?

And I guess I can only get away without indicators if I can convince the tester that it's an off-road machine designed to carry only me. Which is true.

I now realise this isn't a 'daytime MOT' as such, it's just a normal MOT exploiting a few loopholes.

Gaz

[Kickstart]

[Gazdaman]

keeping the headlight isn't the end of the world, but it's annoying.
I need to find more people that have actually done this!

Maybe it's time to go and annoy visordown.

Gaz

[Kickstart]

Hi

To be honest I think you are slightly mad to have a bike to ride to a race then aim to ride home again. You will wear out decent race tyres more quickly, stand a good chance of blowing the engine or crashing and have to ride home at the end of the races rather worn out.

All the best

Keith
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[Gazdaman]

I completely agree Keith. It's not a long term arrangement.

I'll be keeping my road tyres, which are a bit too sticky for long range motorways, but not quite sticky enough for racing, but will be perfect for some nutty trackdays.

The engine is standard, so chances of blowing up are minimal, although obviously not impossible.

The main aim of this is only to get me as far as Llandow, which should be about an hour? from Bristol. Then after that, hopefully a trailer will be on the cards.

Gaz

[DucatiEVO]

If you have switchgear for lights etc, then they must be fitted and working.
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[numark1]

Gaffa tape an air horn on.

[Dangerous Dorris]

Hi Guys, im new on this site but gotta put my two penny worth in, for what its worth (yep im a girl) ive got a day time MOT on one of my track bikes, as said earlier all you need is a horn and reflector. A good tip though is to always keep your docs on you though cos you are guaranteed to get stopped, bit of a grey area about number boards with numbers on them though, if they have the police think you are racing on the road, yeah right. They will be out there with the yellow flags then eh?

[stinkwheel]

The simple way to avoid being accused of racing on a public highway is to make one of your group (usually the fastest rider) the "designated leader". Put an armband on him and make sure everyone knows who it is, don't pass him. That's what we do on big rideouts.

Copper stops you, starts ranting about racing, you just tell them you were following the designated leader as indicated by his armband.
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[Gazdaman]

Doris have you got any pics of the bike with a daytime MOT?

Does it have a brake light?
And what's your view on the headlight situation? I'm not sure what to believe now we've got 2 contradicting statements.

Gaz

[stinkwheel]

[Gazdaman]

Luckily enough, I think I know a place around here, that once MOT'd an old BSA of my dads by looking at it out the window.

"Looks alrite lad" *writes certificate*.

Gaz

[Dangerous Dorris]

Hi Gaz this is the best i can do, you can see how i stand on the light issue. The wiring loom was taken out, ive got a rocker switch ignition under the seat, its kick start anyway. It was a pretty cut and slash to start with and theres really no going back.

[Dangerous Dorris]

Sorry Gaz did try to paste a picture, dont know what happened to it. will have another go.

[Gazdaman]

you have to click add attachment, then a box will appear, click browse, navigate to file, then click add attachment, then click submit.

I guess it's a case of suck it and see, I'll get it all sorted, then go and ask Mr MOT man.

Gaz

[TiN]

With all this speculation on the daytime MOTs - does this mean that you get a full MOT certificate? Or are restrictions logged on the certificate/register?

If it's the latter, what happens if you eventually make the bike fully road legal? Will you need to get it re-MOT'd?
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[fast_tzr]

as far as I know for a "daytime" MOT, you either need all your lights, or none at all. You cannot have a brakelight without a headlight, indicators without the other lights etc. read this in performance bikes a couple of years ago, maybe the rules have changed now, but I could be wrong about the whole thing, its just what I read.

[Gazdaman]

https://www.motuk.co.uk/manual/mc_contents.htm

This link is good. I think it says I don't need a brake light either. I'm unclear as to whether it says I need a reflector or not.

But the way I understand it, as long as I have neither lights front or back, I don't need a brake light, or indicators.

Hmm..

Gaz