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PostPosted: 10:47 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: valve spring removal Reply with quote

I had a look for removing valve springs without special tools and came across this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIhWgWEnNQY

Has anyone else actually tried this?
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You still fucking about with that fucked bike? Count your losses, brake it and make some cash back But keep the CDI and get this

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PostPosted: 11:02 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only problem with that is I don't have any money left now otherwise I would and just bin the other one.

As for the video, turns out a socket, molegrips and a magnet work perfectly for removing and refitting
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. It does work. use the rag or everything slips and the collets fly off into the grass.

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PostPosted: 11:25 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

A valve spring compressor costs about 5 quid. Seriously.
You need one to put them back in anyway (if you want to do it properly and minimalise valve dropping risk).

I see no point in this method, and either way, using a sliding t bar with the socket on the end and a bit of bodyweight works better, and won't make everything fly out.
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

What can I say, I'm a cheap f**ker.

Anyway, I found the socket with a magnet through the centre and a pair of molegrips works fine for removing them without bits flying off into the sunset.

For putting them back on, I just used a pair of pliers to push the spring back down and the collets fall into place.

I just need to get the valve grinder and paste then I can work on the old head
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see that it does work, but am I the only one who thinks that hammers shouldn't really be used on the inside of an engine?
Dead Blow to pop pistons out fine
Lump hammer to twat a starter motor
Nylon hammer to tap the head loose.

But a ballpin and a socket to remove valves, I just feel that it will one day end with disastrous consequences
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing wrong with that method - I've never see it done any other way. You've more chance of firing a collet into oblivion if you use the compressor IMO.

I sit the head on a thick layer of rags (usually a rolled-up lumberjack fleece) to prevent any valve damage and pop them all out in a couple of minutes with a hammer and spark plug socket.
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

i use this method

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/423859_10150675182568846_942925731_n.jpg

you will need

an old socket with a quarter of it cut out,
a G clamp
small screwdriver or probe

open the G clamp and place flat side to the valve, place the socket on top and compress the spring, slide collets out with screwdriver, remove tension then clamp and socket slide the spings off and if required the valve out

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PostPosted: 18:04 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK if I could edit MP4's I'd have edited out all the crap, but a couple of videos I've just done for removing and refitting valve springs:

Removing: (Note the lack of hammer) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ph3Y9cEDUU

Fitting: (needle nosed pliers just to position the collet) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_8hpMjLma0

Nothing lost, nothing flying around, nothing getting it's brains bashed in.... and more importantly, no buying special tools or adapting tools
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PostPosted: 22:24 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

andym wrote:
OK if I could edit MP4's I'd have edited out all the crap, but a couple of videos I've just done for removing and refitting valve springs:

Removing: (Note the lack of hammer) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ph3Y9cEDUU




much better method IMO Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whats stopping the valve moving with the top of the spring? If its on a table, it seems a good way to bend a valve stem
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

wilz1234 wrote:
Whats stopping the valve moving with the top of the spring? If its on a table, it seems a good way to bend a valve stem
Not sure I totally understand your question there wilz.

But everything is on an 8x folded dust sheet, on a thick carpet with underlay, it would take an awful lot of force for it to hit something solid enough to bend a valve, and the method I used probably pushed down less than 1cm, as far as I'm aware the valves don't actually move when doing this as I have to turn the whole thing over and actually press the valves out afterwards.

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OK I just had to test out your theory there wilz, I couldn't be bothered to set up the camera to check so you'll have to take my word for it... but the valve itself does not move in the slightest using this method
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 01 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You stick a rag under the valve head. This method has been used for donkey's years.
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 01 Mar 2013    Post subject: Re: valve spring removal Reply with quote

andym wrote:
I had a look for removing valve springs without special tools and came across this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIhWgWEnNQY

Has anyone else actually tried this?


It wasn't a 'Mechanic' who showed him that 'trick'.
It was one of those Antipodean Fitter-Welders that they are aye harping on about.

It is a fucking moronic way to do a very simple job when £14 will buy you a tool to do it safely.

Fackin' Ozzis Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: 14:42 - 01 Mar 2013    Post subject: Re: valve spring removal Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
andym wrote:
I had a look for removing valve springs without special tools and came across this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIhWgWEnNQY

Has anyone else actually tried this?


It wasn't a 'Mechanic' who showed him that 'trick'.
It was one of those Antipodean Fitter-Welders that they are aye harping on about.

It is a fucking moronic way to do a very simple job when £14 will buy you a tool to do it safely.

Fackin' Ozzis Rolling Eyes

https://compare.ebay.co.uk/like/310568484179?var=lv<yp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&cbt=y


Er no, mechanics are the sort of monkeys that would ask someone for advice on how to repair the valve they just clobbered to death. They're unskilled labourer scum that think they can rip people off.
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Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 01 Mar 2013    Post subject: Re: valve spring removal Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:

Er no, fitters are the sort of monkeys that would ask someone for advice on how to repair the valve they just clobbered to death. They're unskilled labourer scum that think they can rip people off.


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PostPosted: 15:30 - 01 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good thing I'm neither then isn't it Wink
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Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 01 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:
Good thing I'm neither then isn't it Wink


Oh you have certainly proved that mate. Wink
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 01 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

pffahaha, and what are you supposed to be?
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 01 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:
pffahaha, and what are you supposed to be?


Are you Measuring cocks now? Wink
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 01 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
mattsprattuk wrote:
pffahaha, and what are you supposed to be?


Are you Measuring cocks now? Wink


With a combination spanner? Laughing
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