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mailee
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Speed limits and safety Reply with quote

Right my mate and I have been discussing this today so I thought I would put it out here and see what everyone thinks. In bike racing they have that thing that limits the revs in the pits making them slow down travelling through the pit area right? (Bear with me this is going somewhere) All of the police and councils state that speed cameras are only there for safety and not revenue, right? if this really is the case why don't they fit electronic devices to cars and bikes that limit vehicles to 30 mph in towns and cities? With the cheap price of electronics available today it would be a simple matter of mounting some form of transponder to speed signs that govern the speed of the vehicle by radio/infra red/microwave/whatever there must be a way of doing this that would be far cheaper than fitting cameras everywhere or having policemen hiding in vans/hedgerows when they could be put to better use fighting real crime. What are others feeling on this idea? Discuss....or take the p*ss. Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you not think that having every portion of your life controlled to such an extent is a bad thing...
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PostPosted: 00:14 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If that happens im selling my bike and buying something that fucks up the roads like a tank!


Yeah I don't really know where im going with this either.


Your idea is super ghey and you must not tell anyone about it incase the council hears
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PostPosted: 01:05 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You be trollin' or you be retarded?

You must be old, how long until you can upgrade your driving license to a bus pass?
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PostPosted: 01:56 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're a politician aren't you? As only a politician could dream up this sort of thing. Either that or a Daily Mail reader. Thinking
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PostPosted: 02:13 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not just require all saddles/drivers seats to incorporate a 14" dildo with a compressed-gas thrusting mechanism?

When triggered by a GATSO flash, the dong is thrust forth into the drivers/riders rectum thus letting know they have been very naughty. On high-trim models, and auto-lubing device will be fitted* (for his/her/your pleasure).





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PostPosted: 02:36 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The technology to do such a thing has been viable and economically so for at least a decade.

It has been bouncing about in the UK and EU halls of bureaucracy for at least as long.

Only trouble is... no-one wants to commit political suicide and do it.... except the Germans... keep up with the news watch TuV!

Alternatively, any political party who wished a political coup over road safety merely has to BAN MOTORCYCLES.... less than 5% of road vehicles, barely 1% of motorised road miles, and more than half of those purely recreational road-use... YET 20% of the KSI figures.

In one fell swoop they could claim a 'major' increase in road safety; and piss of a mere minority of voters who would not get much public sympathy, as most think we are a bunch of thrill seeking, suicidal lunatics to begin with.

Fact that its so often the car drivers fault bikers get KSI's is immeterial. If there were no bikes, there'd be no bikers, and therefore none to get KSI'd. Problem gone.

$ Value of the UK Bike Industry? Yeah Right! So they don't see so much UK currency flowing to Japan and China, and the total number of people put out of work / business would be less than when they Let Long-Bridge fall! It REALLY isn't a reason stopping them!
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PostPosted: 05:31 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brave post Wink You may like thread https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=277967

Awful idea in my opinion. Totally restricting peoples freedom and nannying to a point we might as all roll over and be taxied around in accident-proof automated google cars that collect every last bit of data to improve safety and marketing. Thats where things will end up going down this route afterall, isnt it Thinking
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PostPosted: 07:25 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The EU did a study on it. Found that suddenly limiting a motorcycle to 30mph in a corner when the rider was doing significantly over that speed caused a crash.

That's why the new license laws are so strict and complex, it's because the EU don't see motorcycling as part of their vision so they are basically going to slowly ban it.

I'm told that if you put a lobster in a pot of boiling water, it thrashes around and is in a lot of distress. If you put the lobster in a pot of cold water, then slowly heat it until it is boiling, it sits there patiently while it is boiled to death.
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PostPosted: 07:40 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
The EU did a study on it. Found that suddenly limiting a motorcycle to 30mph in a corner when the rider was doing significantly over that speed caused a crash.

That's why the new license laws are so strict and complex, it's because the EU don't see motorcycling as part of their vision so they are basically going to slowly ban it.

I'm told that if you put a lobster in a pot of boiling water, it thrashes around and is in a lot of distress. If you put the lobster in a pot of cold water, then slowly heat it until it is boiling, it sits there patiently while it is boiled to death.


Realistically if I was to be 17 again, I probably wouldn't be an eager beaver and pass my bike test 3 weeks after being 17. I'd just get a car.

Rather than an outright ban they are simply making it so much hassle that for 99% of people, the hassles of getting licensed to ride a bike just aren't worth the rewards.
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speed limits have been used for revenue raising rather than road safety since day 1.

Hansard House of Lords debate, 16 July 1907 wrote:


It's been over a century since this was flushed into the open. Why would it change now?

That said, I could see Brussels going for it if Bosch buys enough MEPs. But it would habituate people to driving with their foot on the floor all the time and the speed traps would just move to a hundred metron-yards beyond the last speed limiter post, solid gold guarantee.
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave70 wrote:
You're a politician aren't you? As only a politician could dream up this sort of thing. Either that or a Daily Mail reader. Thinking


Even a Daily Mail reader wouldn't agree with such a level of control...Unless it saved kittens.
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 11:13 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like a time machine to take me back to the late 80's now please.
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Better idea is to remove speed limits but set speed suggestions, then fit every car with a permanent recording camera front and back - harsher punishments for dangerous driving if you cause an accident, then it's down to you to pay more attention.
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

30mph limiter you say?


Handy.

Town speed limits around here are 20mph.



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PostPosted: 13:08 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Re: Speed limits and safety Reply with quote

Already been trialed.

But not using a signal sent from the road side - then it would be very easy to either block the signal, or more amusingly, fake it on a motorway, say.
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get the distinct impression that the OP is functionally damaged.
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Re: Speed limits and safety Reply with quote

mailee wrote:
if this really is the case why don't they fit electronic devices to cars and bikes that limit vehicles to 30 mph in towns and cities?


Probably kill far more than it saved. People just keeping the throttle wide open and not thinking about driving.

All the best

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PostPosted: 17:36 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely these parts that are fitted would be "unreliable" and frequently stop working on peoples bikes. Unfortunately as someone who expected it to work I would have assumed the bike was sticking to the limit as it would seem I'm not trusted to judge speed myself. Obviously it would only have stopped working on the day when I got caught by the police of course... but that's just a coincidence officer Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Re: Speed limits and safety Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
mailee wrote:
if this really is the case why don't they fit electronic devices to cars and bikes that limit vehicles to 30 mph in towns and cities?


Probably kill far more than it saved. People just keeping the throttle wide open and not thinking about driving.

All the best

Keith


Are we talking valve springs here?
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: Re: Speed limits and safety Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:

Are we talking valve springs here?


Limit the car to 30mph and likely a large number would just hold the throttle open, relying on the limiter to keep their speed down.

All the best

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