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BMW Diseasel!?! WTF is wrong with you?
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i had one for 4 months.
it had;
new clutch
new flywheel
all subframe / diff mounts
gearbox mounts
engine mounts
pads and discs all round
2 x abs sensors
drop links
front arb bushes
rear springs
egr thermostat
main thermostat
maf sensor
i got a little bit fed up of replacing something every week so i flipped it on for a grand with 152k on it.
after having a straight 6 petrol beemer now i really miss the low down grunt of a diesel although the 4 pot motors are proper rough and loud compared to the 6 pot ones. ____________________ Turbocharged drag thing / project death weapon / GK73A
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Two major issues with a 320d:
Blocked crankcase breathers, leading to excessive smoke and crankcase pressure and inlet swirl flap failure.
Both are relatively cheap to fix, but you want to make sure they have been, especially the swirl flaps, because they ingest them and blow the engine.
There is no warning sign, they just go, so have them removed and blanked off.
A good oil change history is also very important, as they like a turbo if the oil isn't kept fresh. ____________________ Things get better with age; I'm close to being magnificent........
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| Mr Dunkable wrote: | Looking at E46 320ds...
What would you consider high mileage for one of these, considering they're about 10 years old.
Found one with 86k miles on it, which seemed in decent enough nick, but then there's so many with 100-150k miles on them... What would you lot consider as high mileage? what would you touch, what would you stay away from?
Having owned one diesel, and i blew it up, i'm not too sure.
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I'm OK with high mileage Beemers although I think petrol engines are a safer bet at high mileage. I bought my old E34 525i at 115,000 miles and scrapped it, still running well at around 280,000 miles. I bought my current E38 740i 4.4 at 165,000 and have so far put around 20,000 miles on top of that.
I suppose the trick with high mileage modernish diesels is to check the life and cost of the turbo and injectors and predict whether they will need doing any time soon. A set of injectors on a 6 cylinder diesel can run to over a grand apparently, I bet a turbo is a few hundred quid too.
This goes back to the old story of Parkers or someone similar, who ran a long term test of a 530i petrol and a 530D. The diesel stormed ahead on running costs until the mileage crept up and the diesel started needing some pretty expensive engine components. In the end the petrol worked out slightly cheaper to run, due to not needing major engine components at high mileage. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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| mpd72 wrote: | This goes back to the old story of Parkers or someone similar, who ran a long term test of a 530i petrol and a 530D. The diesel stormed ahead on running costs until the mileage crept up and the diesel started needing some pretty expensive engine components. In the end the petrol worked out slightly cheaper to run, due to not needing major engine components at high mileage. |
Oooh, interesting... Can you find the source? Dealer prices I guess? Wonder what the difference would be if you did the work yourself?
I, like most people I guess, assumed that diesel was always the way to go for high mileage.
I should add that while my bm has done 330,000km I still hate it. The throttle response is atrocious, yet it goes through rear tyres like I don't know what, it has a strange combination of ultra stiff suspension and body roll. It just feels horrible to drive... I'd get rid of it if it weren't so reliable and would never've bought it if it weren't for the ultra low price I got it for. ____________________ current: ducati monster 750
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| daemonoid wrote: |
Oooh, interesting... Can you find the source? Dealer prices I guess? Wonder what the difference would be if you did the work yourself?
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I wish I could, but no, I've tried to find it online before. I read it a few years ago when the E36 had only been out for a couple of years.
I'm pretty sure it was either Parkers or JD Power who ran the test. And yes, I believe it was using a dealer up until 100,000 miles.
The nearest I can find is this....
"We ran a 530d and a 530i alongside each other for 4 years until the 530d went last year. Both are early 2002 cars, both manual gearboxes.
The 530i is approx 7mpg less economical than the 530d in any given situation - if the 530d is doing 45mpg on the Motorway the 530i is doing 37mpg, if the 530i is getting 21mpg around town the 530d was getting no better than 28mpg.
In the end it was clear that there was no huge running cost benefit over the 530d unless you do big miles - and this was on a fairly reliable example bought when it was 2 years old.
Now they are all getting on a bit I'd say its even more true - the 530i is less complex, less prone to failuire and despite what the 'its all about the torque' boys will say, is noticebly quicker, smoother and more refined.
The 530i is clearly the better car. Thats not to say the 530d was bad - far from it - but the 530i is better.
And confirmation that this particular viewpoint isn't biased? The replacement for the 530d was.... a 525i."
from here...
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The throttle response is atrocious, |
Do a throttle adaptation reset:
1 Place key in ignition and turn to detent 1 and count for 10 seconds ( only postion 1 do not start the engine. )
2.Turn key back to 0 postion and count for another 10 seconds
3.Now turn the key all the way to detent 3 to start the engine
| Quote: | yet it goes through rear tyres like I don't know what |
Must be something wrong - I've consistently got 20,000+ miles out of my rears
| Quote: | it has a strange combination of ultra stiff suspension and body roll. |
M Sport? Notoriously poor ride quality. Mine's the SE - I was mocked for buying an SE originally but I don't care, it's the better car.
| Quote: | It just feels horrible to drive... |
Mine feels excellent. Possible worn / soggy suspension components including the front track control arm / balljoints? Snapped rear springs? |
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| arry wrote: | Do a throttle adaptation reset:
1 Place key in ignition and turn to detent 1 and count for 10 seconds ( only postion 1 do not start the engine. )
2.Turn key back to 0 postion and count for another 10 seconds
3.Now turn the key all the way to detent 3 to start the engine |
No-one's even sure whether that's placebo or not... Anyway, it's not the problem, the problem is I'm used to the throttle response on higher performing vehicles rather than a big turbo diesel. It's great once I've spun the turbo up, or when I'm starting from stationary.
| arry wrote: | Must be something wrong - I've consistently got 20,000+ miles out of my rears |
I do corner quicker than most and was 'drifting' it last night to annoy the missus... maybe that's the problem. I'm also used to lighter cars that obviously don't put the same abuse through the rubber.
| arry wrote: | M Sport?  Notoriously poor ride quality. Mine's the SE - I was mocked for buying an SE originally but I don't care, it's the better car. |
Nah, touring with a factory fit towbar... the problem is the suspension is set up for heavy loads or towing and without being full it just doesn't sit right. Everyone else I've spoken to with the same car&options says the same (sample size of 3 including me).
| arry wrote: | | Quote: | It just feels horrible to drive... |
Mine feels excellent. Possible worn / soggy suspension components including the front track control arm / balljoints? Snapped rear springs? |
Front ball joints do need replacing (keep meaning to get around to it), but it's not the real issue. The problem is it's 1.5t of barge that's meant to be wafted, not driven. It's designed for autobahns, not fun. The fact that 6th doesn't even bother pulling until you're above 130kph is evidence of that.
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late 30's on a motorway journey from a straight 6 530i sounds about right to me. A quick Google for "530i mpg" shows most people quoting around that on a run. Even my 4.4L V8 740i can average almost 30mpg on a run and averages around 24mpg, when on petrol . With LPG though, it converts to an average equivalent of nearly 40mpg  ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Too many people get caught up in how many miles a motor has, how many miles it's got can have nothing to do with its condition.
Proven receipts, work done and how it sounds/feels to drive are what matter.
Can very easily have a car with 15K on the clock that's been ragged to the brink of death and sold for full market value, doesn't mean it's worth the cash.  ____________________ Roger wrote: Women don't get damp for clingy puppies. Get some better happy pills, hit the gym & buy a medallion the size of a dinner plate. Job done |
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I've always been under the impression 100k isn't really high mileage. 150k would be the highest i would go. The car's only really for back and forward to work, about 250 miles a week, and longer runs around the country. current car i'm doing about 1500 a month during the summer.
so some of you say they're good cars, others say they're shit. I've got a limit of about £1500, so an audi (unless it's an old pre-facelift model) is really out of the question. 320d seems within my budget and can find ones that look in great condition. if i could afford a 330d i'd get one. i won't be going for the estate, it'll be the saloon. as long as it has enough space to ride a dirty in the front i'm happy.
Like i said, i'd love the BMW, but my second choice would be a mk4 golf GT TDI.
So basically, just do all the checks i normally would, and as long as it's below 150k it should be alright. i'm not fussed about spending money on it, i do it myself and the parts can be had cheap enough, so if bits and pieces start to fail at that kind of mileage i'm not too fussed. I've spent enough money and time on cars i should have a fucking ferarri by now.
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| Mr Dunkable wrote: | I've always been under the impression 100k isn't really high mileage. 150k would be the highest i would go. The car's only really for back and forward to work, about 250 miles a week, and longer runs around the country. current car i'm doing about 1500 a month during the summer.
so some of you say they're good cars, others say they're shit. I've got a limit of about £1500, so an audi (unless it's an old pre-facelift model) is really out of the question. 320d seems within my budget and can find ones that look in great condition. if i could afford a 330d i'd get one. i won't be going for the estate, it'll be the saloon. as long as it has enough space to ride a dirty in the front i'm happy.
Like i said, i'd love the BMW, but my second choice would be a mk4 golf GT TDI.
So basically, just do all the checks i normally would, and as long as it's below 150k it should be alright. i'm not fussed about spending money on it, i do it myself and the parts can be had cheap enough, so if bits and pieces start to fail at that kind of mileage i'm not too fussed. I've spent enough money and time on cars i should have a fucking ferarri by now.
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I agree that the amount of mileage on a car may not reflect the condition of the engine and engine components but it definitely reflects the condition of the interior and the amount of time the car has potentially spent in the winter.
For example a 150k car has probably used the electric windows etc a lot more than a 100k car.
That car has also had an extra 50k worth of use on the suspension, window wiper motors etc etc which when little things like that start to fail, it adds up for sure.
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